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Why we should care about the Nate Silver vs. Nassim Taleb Twitter war

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Re: Why we should care about the Nate Silver vs. Nassim Taleb Twitter war

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As a non-specialist, I like how the discussion boils down the picture at the end: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*D_tidaT-fHMY3DRLg... in that it is something I can understand.

Nate Silver always calls the nowcast (blue line) for what it is - a forecast for if the election was held that day. The forecast, made a few days before election day, is the official forecast and the one that beats most other estimates.

Re: Why we should care about the Nate Silver vs. Nassim Taleb Twitter war

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I appreciate the stuff about two types of certainties, but where are they actually arguing anything remotely relevant like that? As far as I can tell, based on what I see bubble up to my twitter feed and what tweets are displayed in this post, the disagreement is based entirely on Talib’s claim that Silver switched his prediction from 80% to 50%. This really has nothing to do with actually understanding probability or prediction models. It’s just Talib sharing some other pundit’s deliberate misinterpretation of a single phrase deliberately taken out of context in an interview with Silver.

I don’t think their disagreement has much to do with science or mathematics. I think the two guys have big online followings, each leaning heavily toward two different political ideologies, and the two leaders just have to try to beat each other up on a Twitter to decide which side is better.

Re: Why we should care about the Nate Silver vs. Nassim Taleb Twitter war

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The difference between epistemic and aleatory uncertainty is not well understood even in the machine learning world. Most applications of machine learning to domains where uncertainty needs to be quantified use aleatory uncertainty, when epistemic uncertainty is the right one. I wish we had better ways to explain these concepts, and perhaps better terms too. Alternatives like intrinsic/extrinsic or irreducible/reduci…

I haven't read any of his works but I have a suspicion that Judea Pearl writes about causality in this niche with that inferential difference in mind.

Re: Why we should care about the Nate Silver vs. Nassim Taleb Twitter war

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Shouldn't a guy like Taleb be able to propose a bet with Silver that demonstrates he (Taleb) is right?

Best solution proposed here! Put your money where your mouth is Taleb and Silver!

Btw, I read 3 of Taleb's books, 1 from Nate Silver. Both are pretty good. Taleb is the more original, but also more often-objectionable.

Re: Why we should care about the Nate Silver vs. Nassim Taleb Twitter war

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I would love to see the Nate Silver point by point response to this post. I think it would be humorous, but also add some insights into his proprietary black box.

I listen to the 538 podcast every episode, and I think I agree with cm2012 that this is a case of mixing up the "nowcast" with the actual forecast.

Re: Why we should care about the Nate Silver vs. Nassim Taleb Twitter war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean obviously its hard to make predictions of complex things as the data from every angle is difficult to get and sometimes incorrect. I used to love Taleb but he is more of a broken cloc, many say if he stopped writing after black swan he would have gone down as great but some of his other points and politics have undermined him. I think Silver is actually pretty legit. He was over-hyped, then he was largely pann…

Taleb actually makes a great point here and published a pretty cool paper about it. The point is that if a probability of the event changes too much, you can arbitrage it. E.g. assume these are payoff odds and you can sell your position before the event. He then found some nice no-arbitrage conditions that "real" probabilities must meet and showed that Nate's predictive timeline allowed arbitrage. Unfortunately Nate…

But 538 was giving predictions for different events each day in the moving "now cast" so there was no arbitrage.
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