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Dotsies (2012)

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Re: Dotsies (2012)

#61
Why didn't the designer select dot positions based on letter frequency or letter pairing frequency in English? This could have yielded a font that would be more likely to make pretty geometric shapes. Even a simple improvement like vowels all having higher dot positions in the font, and consonants having lower positions, could be interesting. It seems that the dot positions are just based on letter position in the alphabet. There is probably a way to come up with dot positions that yield much nicer looking shapes.

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#62
post #53

It's a damn shame this font isn't properly kerned, I put it in my term and immediately started throwing up. If the dotsies form a block like they do on the site, then the numbers/punctuation is overlapping and broken.

Firefox handles it well, with a barely noticeable bar of grey in between each character.

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#63
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I feel compelled to write up a summary of the comments here and responses to each one: > This is useless. Who cares? It's super cool! > This is not well-suited for use case X. Did you read the page? It's so great that someone thought of this and did it. > This has been done before. SUPER. COOL. > It's hard to read. I don't know what you aren't getting about this. > What if it implemented improvement X? I don't know,…

The only thing that would of made your summary better is if it was written in the Dotsies font.

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#65

One advantage of regular letters compared to this is that it's pretty easy to tell that even a fairly mangled A is still an A; a word written in dotsies loses a lot of its legibility as soon as it's not displayed in fairly large pixels across a very clear background. Viewing things at an angle? While it moves by? On a dirty or wet piece of paper? Forget about it. It's a super fun idea, though. I would 100% put this i…

Yeah, it's a telling point that when we're asked to read passages of Dotsies, the font's sized up least three times (36px to 42px)—and so at least nine times the screen area taken—compared to the base 13px size used in the "How much better is it?" example.

You're going to need damn good eyes to read Dotsies at anything like 13px, and I suspect even the sharp-eyed are going to misread a lot. Size Dotsies text up to the point that people of average vision can read it as reliably as a normal font at a reasonable size, and I don't think you're going to get much, if any, greater information density.

I'm reminded of Speedtalk, a language from Robert Heinlein's story "Gulf", which had every combination of phoneme and delivery (pitch, length, etc.) represent a word in the Basic English vocabulary. So, every spoken "word" in the language is actually a full sentence. But, it takes intense futuristic training just to be able to speak vaguely intelligibly in it, because all the normal imprecisions of speaking (much less speaking in a new language) take any tiny error from "You used 'record' as a noun, but with a long 'e' and the stress on the second syllable." to "You have a hovercraft, and it's full of what???"

Now imagine trying to follow speech in such a language if the speaker's out of breath, alarmed, surrounded by background noise, etc. Just not enough redundancy for reliable communication.

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#66

Is this person completely insane? Or am I just not getting something? In which universe is this font remotely useful?

I thought this was an obvious prank until I read the comments here... which I also assume to be a part of the prank.

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#67
post #31
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dotsies is even worse if your eyes are some variant of broken. Nearsighted, cataracts, crosseyed, etc.

Perfect for automatic readers though.

Nope: automatic readers rely heavily on redundancy. QR codes are like 20% data, 80% error correction. OCR is still a difficult problem, despite the redundancy built in to the alphabet. There's no way a machine reader could tell apart characters that differ by one pixel

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#68
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like HN should implement a "positive-only" or "constructive-only" flag for posts, whether set by posters or moderators. Perhaps all Show HN. Start to experiment, see what sticks.

It is a pity an intellectually curious person's work posted to a forum of presumably intellectually curious people gets a bit beat up. George Bernard Shaw worked out a new alphabet too. Tolkien built a language for books about goblins and elves. I can't image how they would be greeted. But perhaps it's just a bad day or hour or something.

Had Tolkien not been "bit beat up" he would have written the whole thing in Qenya and no one would have ever heard of it.

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#69
Tried to create a mapping that mimics positioning or spacial makeup of letters so you can "guess" more instead of looking up the letters all the time:

http://dotsies.org/design-your-own/#iaeouvxnsfrcbqlzkjwygphm...

A couple of design values:

- vowels 1 dot seems like a good plan

- ending with s / y should be easily recognizable

- tall letters should be tall (tlbdk etc)

To learn, read one word from the top paragraph and see if it "looks" like the bottom dotsies. Then gradually try to read the paragraph without looking at the next word.

Open to improvements!

Re: Dotsies (2012)

#70
The first thing I thought of was Marain, from The Culture novels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture:

“Designed to be represented either in binary or symbol-written form, Marain is also regarded as an aesthetically pleasing language by the Culture. The symbols of the Marain alphabet can be displayed in three-by-three grids of binary (yes/no, black/white) dots and thus correspond to nine-bit wide binary numbers.”

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