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Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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Post by onetimemanytime »

bobthepanda wrote: post #20
onetimemanytime wrote: post #14

China is a world on its own. Google sees the writing on the wall, enter China or become FB (talk about a has-been.) Google, FB etc need 20% quarter to quarter growth and Google has pretty much saturated the western world. So it is China...kiss the ring and all. Google is not going to lose market cap because of so called values. They're so 2005

Who needs 20% YoY growth? Plenty of big companies get big enough and don't keel over, and Google is already very profitable.

Who needs 20% YoY growth?

Google does. If not 20%, around that number....

Trailing P/E 38.67

Forward P/E 1 21.87

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GOOGL/key-statistics?p=GOOGL

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

izacus wrote: post #17
tomatotomato37 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has a very significant manufactoring presence in China, so unfortunately they can't cleanly separate from China like Google can without risking retaliation

Ah well, it's fine to violate human rights if it costs you money then. And as long as you have an apple in the logo I guess?

Hey, never said I didn't approve of China's shite privacy & labor laws. That's why I always thought any minimum wage or labor law needs an accompanying tariff, to prevent manufacturers from just making the situation worse by externalizing their shit overseas

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Post by president »

izacus wrote: post #5

Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Apple employees need their jobs. Walking out would be risky. Google employees don't care because they can get another job by virtue of having Google on their resume. A bit of a hyperbole but there is some truth in it.

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Post by ferongr »

Despegar wrote: post #15
alasdair_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple. Does it count as "encrypted" if the keys have been given to the people spying on you?

The point of end-to-end encryption is that Apple doesn't have any keys to give.

How do you know? Have you audited the source code of the software?

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Post by sigstoat »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #21
bobthepanda wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who needs 20% YoY growth? Plenty of big companies get big enough and don't keel over, and Google is already very profitable.

Who needs 20% YoY growth? Google does. If not 20%, around that number.... Trailing P/E 38.67 Forward P/E 1 21.87 https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GOOGL/key-statistics?p=GOOGL

how do you turn a P/E of 21 into needing somewhere between 20% annual growth (your current claim?) and 200% annual growth (your original claim? 20% quarter over quarter.)

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Post by sftwds »

president wrote: post #23
izacus wrote: post #5

Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Apple employees need their jobs. Walking out would be risky. Google employees don't care because they can get another job by virtue of having Google on their resume. A bit of a hyperbole but there is some truth in it.

I assumed that Apple has very similar weight on a resume as Google, is that not correct?

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Post by pfortuny »

izacus wrote: post #5

Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

We are talking about google here.

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Post by scrumbledober »

sftwds wrote: post #26
president wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple employees need their jobs. Walking out would be risky. Google employees don't care because they can get another job by virtue of having Google on their resume. A bit of a hyperbole but there is some truth in it.

I assumed that Apple has very similar weight on a resume as Google, is that not correct?

perhaps not quite the same level but I would assume anyone with any FAANG on their resume wouldn't be in the category of "need their job."

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Post by president »

sftwds wrote: post #26
president wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple employees need their jobs. Walking out would be risky. Google employees don't care because they can get another job by virtue of having Google on their resume. A bit of a hyperbole but there is some truth in it.

I assumed that Apple has very similar weight on a resume as Google, is that not correct?

I'm sure there is weight in having Apple on your resume but Google engineers are generally sought after for SE positions. I hear managers pining over Google candidates all the time at my company.

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Post by user2426679 »

Despegar wrote: post #2

Great reporting by Gallagher. He should win a Pulitzer for his reporting on Dragonfly. The fact that Pichai refused to say they wouldn't re-enter China shows this is probably just a pause until things die down.

Agreed that this is a great example by Gallagher of all-too-rare "real" journalism.

The unfortunate thing is that the headline of this article should probably be "Google's Secret China Project Now Even More Secret."

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