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Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple.

Is there a public announcement/commitment saying that Apple does not share any data with China?

They shared the iCloud private keys with the Chinese government to get permission to operate there...just google it

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Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple.

>iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple.

Does it count as "encrypted" if the keys have been given to the people spying on you?

Re: Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple.

Is there a public announcement/commitment saying that Apple does not share any data with China?

> Is there a public announcement/commitment saying that Apple does not share any data with China?

They have to share data:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

> And even though Chinese iPhones will retain the security features that can make it all but impossible for anyone, even Apple, to get access to the phone itself, that will not apply to the iCloud accounts. Any information in the iCloud account could be accessible to Chinese authorities who can present Apple with a legal order.

> Apple said it will only respond to valid legal requests in China, but China’s domestic legal process is very different than that in the U.S., lacking anything quite like an American “warrant” reviewed by an independent court, Chinese legal experts said. Court approval isn’t required under Chinese law and police can issue and execute warrants.

Previous to this, the data was stored on American servers and subject to American legal safeguards.

Re: Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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China is a world on its own. Google sees the writing on the wall, enter China or become FB (talk about a has-been.) Google, FB etc need 20% quarter to quarter growth and Google has pretty much saturated the western world. So it is China...kiss the ring and all. Google is not going to lose market cap because of so called values. They're so 2005

Re: Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple.

>iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple. Does it count as "encrypted" if the keys have been given to the people spying on you?

The point of end-to-end encryption is that Apple doesn't have any keys to give.

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Indeed, every part of this story really happened because of Ryan's coverage. His reveal is what brought it to the attention of other Google employees, members of Congress, and human rights groups. And eventually, it appears key information he released is what also led to it's effective closure. It's a true testament to the power of quality investigative journalism.

> His reveal is what brought it to > the attention of other Google > employees Sad truth. And yet, >

Don't consume the corporate cool-aid. Google, and for that matter any other company, is not its employees, it is its stockholders.

Re: Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Apple has a very significant manufactoring presence in China, so unfortunately they can't cleanly separate from China like Google can without risking retaliation

Ah well, it's fine to violate human rights if it costs you money then. And as long as you have an apple in the logo I guess?

Re: Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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China is a world on its own. Google sees the writing on the wall, enter China or become FB (talk about a has-been.) Google, FB etc need 20% quarter to quarter growth and Google has pretty much saturated the western world. So it is China...kiss the ring and all. Google is not going to lose market cap because of so called values. They're so 2005

Who needs 20% YoY growth? Plenty of big companies get big enough and don't keel over, and Google is already very profitable.
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