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Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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Great reporting by Gallagher. He should win a Pulitzer for his reporting on Dragonfly. The fact that Pichai refused to say they wouldn't re-enter China shows this is probably just a pause until things die down.

Indeed, every part of this story really happened because of Ryan's coverage. His reveal is what brought it to the attention of other Google employees, members of Congress, and human rights groups. And eventually, it appears key information he released is what also led to it's effective closure.

It's a true testament to the power of quality investigative journalism.

Re: Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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Great reporting by Gallagher. He should win a Pulitzer for his reporting on Dragonfly. The fact that Pichai refused to say they wouldn't re-enter China shows this is probably just a pause until things die down.

Indeed, every part of this story really happened because of Ryan's coverage. His reveal is what brought it to the attention of other Google employees, members of Congress, and human rights groups. And eventually, it appears key information he released is what also led to it's effective closure. It's a true testament to the power of quality investigative journalism.

  > His reveal is what brought it to
  > the attention of other Google
  > employees
Sad truth. And yet, >

Re: Google’s Secret China Project “Effectively Ended” After Internal Confrontation

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Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Unlike Dragonfly, that actually launched. There was no reported dissent from Apple employees before or after launch. What are they waiting for?

The workers at Google who protested despite the loss in value of their equity should be commended.

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Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Apple has a very significant manufactoring presence in China, so unfortunately they can't cleanly separate from China like Google can without risking retaliation

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Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple.

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Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

iMessage and FaceTime are end-to-end encrypted and work in China. There's different rules for Apple.

Is there a public announcement/commitment saying that Apple does not share any data with China?

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Great! So will Apple employees walk out next in protest of Apple assisting Chinese government by giving them iMessage and iCloud data? Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Unlike Dragonfly, that actually launched. There was no reported dissent from Apple employees before or after launch. What are they waiting for? The workers at Google who protested despite the loss in value of their equity should be commended.

Sad you got downvotes.

No one is loyal to Google. Apple fanboys have a double standard that I don't understand, maybe its a social club.

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