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EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Why didn't they add some kind of protection act for children to this lawsuit as well? They are making children go through these things and then showing them naked to who knows? That violation should surpass the far more vague "religious freedom".

Can both sides play the "think of the children" card in the same fight?

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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As exciting as this sounds, the dates are all at least several months old. Anybody know more about the current status of this, or the direction it's heading?

I think you are looking at other news items on the page that are several months old?

The actual document submitted to the court is dated November 1, 2010.

[PDF] http://epic.org/privacy/litigation/EPIC_Body_Scanner_OB_Fina...

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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post #20

From my experience full body scanners are much faster and more convenient compared to traditional system when you take off your shoes and go through metal detector. If you are unlucky an airport worker additionally scans you with a hand metal scanner. With full body scanner you just enter the cabin and voila! The scan takes 3 seconds.

That's because the person in the other room can stare and share your image for quite some time after it's taken. 3 seconds for you, but as long as they want for them.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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post #20

From my experience full body scanners are much faster and more convenient compared to traditional system when you take off your shoes and go through metal detector. If you are unlucky an airport worker additionally scans you with a hand metal scanner. With full body scanner you just enter the cabin and voila! The scan takes 3 seconds.

It's not even the nudity that bothers me, personally. It's the radiation. I didn't sign up for unshielded exposure to dangerous levels of radiation when I bought my airplane ticket.

Ultimately, I think a public health angle would have been a far more effective tact to take in the lawsuit or in the arguments against these scanners. It's the trump card. Privacy always loses an argument to fear and "security" in our post-9/11 national discourse. Sad to say, but that's true. Health, though? That's a different matter.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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post #20

From my experience full body scanners are much faster and more convenient compared to traditional system when you take off your shoes and go through metal detector. If you are unlucky an airport worker additionally scans you with a hand metal scanner. With full body scanner you just enter the cabin and voila! The scan takes 3 seconds.

That's not been my observation: queues are longer, and people have to take more stuff out of their pockets for the full body scanners. The scanner also takes longer: you have to be stationary for a bit, while you just walk through the metal detectors. The speed of the metal detector queues is limited by the speed of the hand-luggage x-ray machine, not by the speed of the metal detector.

FWIW, it's only in US airports that I've had to take off my shoes for the past year or so.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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post #10

Rights, like a muscle, must be exercised. However, I feel entering a country which I'm not a citizen of (like the US), is a privilege, not a right. Thus, they can ask anything of me they want..and I can chose not to enter the country.

Note that (unless otherwise worded) the Constitution's "protections" are actually restrictions on the government, and apply everywhere and always to government agents acting under constitutional authority. As such, the nationality of the those with whom the government interacts is irrelevant.

I imagine that you can opt-out of the electronic strip search, just as US citizens can.

An interesting, though sadly irrelevant note: the Constitution does not grant to the Federal government the power to regulate foreign immigration.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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post #10

Rights, like a muscle, must be exercised. However, I feel entering a country which I'm not a citizen of (like the US), is a privilege, not a right. Thus, they can ask anything of me they want..and I can chose not to enter the country.

  > However, I feel entering a country which I'm not
  > a citizen of (like the US), is a privilege, not a
  > right. Thus, they can ask anything of me they want..
  > and I can chose not to enter the country.
What about when your flight makes an emergency landing in the US (i.e. a passenger has a heart-attack)? You are forced to enter the country even though you may not want to.

This was the case with some Iranian refugees that were trying to seek asylum in Canada. They had fake Greek passports, and their flight had to make an emergency landing in the US. The US officials then arrested them for trying to enter the US with fake passports.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Almost no politician would ever vote for removing this awful "security" measure. They would risk being blamed when another incompetent terrorist mastermind passes security and hopefully gets stopped by, now much more vigilant passengers. Going to the courts seems like a good way around that - sue the TSA. If someone with experience on these types of issues could comment I would be very interested to learn if this has…

A good first step would be to eliminate separate security lines for First Class/VIP and everyone else. I suspect security lines would end up being shorter if our elected officials had to go through exactly the same process as the rest of us.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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post #20

From my experience full body scanners are much faster and more convenient compared to traditional system when you take off your shoes and go through metal detector. If you are unlucky an airport worker additionally scans you with a hand metal scanner. With full body scanner you just enter the cabin and voila! The scan takes 3 seconds.

At SFO, my only experience with them, one still has to doff ones shoes, and walk through a metal detector. As such, the only choice you get is between a firm pat-down or an electronic strip search.

I choose the former. It annoys them and I get to make at least one TSA agent uncomfortable.

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