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EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Rights, like a muscle, must be exercised. However, I feel entering a country which I'm not a citizen of (like the US), is a privilege, not a right. Thus, they can ask anything of me they want..and I can chose not to enter the country.

Body scanners aren't just used at entry to the US, they're used to get on domestic flights also.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Almost no politician would ever vote for removing this awful "security" measure. They would risk being blamed when another incompetent terrorist mastermind passes security and hopefully gets stopped by, now much more vigilant passengers. Going to the courts seems like a good way around that - sue the TSA. If someone with experience on these types of issues could comment I would be very interested to learn if this has…

Make a list of congressmen and senators that require you to let nude photos of your children to be taken by government employees. It's all about how you frame the argument

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Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Rights, like a muscle, must be exercised. However, I feel entering a country which I'm not a citizen of (like the US), is a privilege, not a right. Thus, they can ask anything of me they want..and I can chose not to enter the country.

People in the lawsuit are US citizens. They just don't want to get naked and receive more radiation every time they board any flight in the US.

People outside the US must also sometimes fly to the US for business purposes. It is not easy sometimes to choose not to go to the US.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Rights, like a muscle, must be exercised. However, I feel entering a country which I'm not a citizen of (like the US), is a privilege, not a right. Thus, they can ask anything of me they want..and I can chose not to enter the country.

Body scanners aren't just used at entry to the US, they're used to get on domestic flights also.

yes, I understand that, and I have no problems with a separate set of rules (which, in fact, already exist). I'm just pointing out a different perspective.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Almost no politician would ever vote for removing this awful "security" measure. They would risk being blamed when another incompetent terrorist mastermind passes security and hopefully gets stopped by, now much more vigilant passengers. Going to the courts seems like a good way around that - sue the TSA. If someone with experience on these types of issues could comment I would be very interested to learn if this has…

Apparently Congressman Jason Chaffetz introduced a bill against the full-body scanners[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Chaffetz

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Awesome, Bruce Schneier is part of the lawsuit: "Three frequent air travelers are joining EPIC in the lawsuit: security expert Bruce Schneier, human rights activist Chip Pitts, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations legal counsel Nadhira Al-Khalili. The Petitioners have brought claims under the Administrative Procedure Act, the Privacy Act, the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act, the Religious Freedom Restoration…

This isn't about religion. It's about invasion of privacy and degradation of the human spirit by an uncontrolled government bureaucracy that thinks it has a free hand by waving around the fear flag. This smells like the McCarthy era.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Almost no politician would ever vote for removing this awful "security" measure. They would risk being blamed when another incompetent terrorist mastermind passes security and hopefully gets stopped by, now much more vigilant passengers. Going to the courts seems like a good way around that - sue the TSA. If someone with experience on these types of issues could comment I would be very interested to learn if this has…

Apparently Congressman Jason Chaffetz introduced a bill against the full-body scanners[1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Chaffetz

His intention is to make them secondary. I'm sure the TSA would have none of that - it would just be magnetometer set to the highest sensitivity first - scanner second - for everyone.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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Awesome, Bruce Schneier is part of the lawsuit: "Three frequent air travelers are joining EPIC in the lawsuit: security expert Bruce Schneier, human rights activist Chip Pitts, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations legal counsel Nadhira Al-Khalili. The Petitioners have brought claims under the Administrative Procedure Act, the Privacy Act, the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act, the Religious Freedom Restoration…

This isn't about religion. It's about invasion of privacy and degradation of the human spirit by an uncontrolled government bureaucracy that thinks it has a free hand by waving around the fear flag. This smells like the McCarthy era.

Of course its not about religion in itself. Religion is only one aspect of this, there were others: "Administrative Procedure Act, the Privacy Act, the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the Fourth Amendment"... there 4 other reasons.

Not sure why you choose to pick on religion in itself when it was within context of other reasons. For those of a religious persuasion the invasion of privacy may be an additional problem on top of the normal intrusiveness of these scanners.

Re: EPIC Lawsuit to Suspend Deployment of Body Scanners at US Airports

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From my experience full body scanners are much faster and more convenient compared to traditional system when you take off your shoes and go through metal detector. If you are unlucky an airport worker additionally scans you with a hand metal scanner. With full body scanner you just enter the cabin and voila! The scan takes 3 seconds.
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