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Re: Depression

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

DanBC wrote: post #60
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, on the one hand I'm strongly against drive-by one liners, on the other hand vitamin D cured me . I was already taking magnesium, B6 ... everything else. 8000 to 12000IU of Vitamin D a day for four weeks weeks cured me of my suicidal ideation / depression / emotional instability / irritability. I went to the doctor and got a prescription for antidepressants a couple of times, drove to the pharmacist and sat in t…

> , on the other hand vitamin D cured me. That's what my aunt says about homeopathy.

Amusing.

On the one hand, homoeopathy is just expensive water, so it probably can't do much harm. Except that people might substitute it for actual medicine, or other therapies, that do work.

On the other hand, placebos work, so .

On the other-other hand (you make me wish I had three hands), vitamin deficiency is a real thing.

Re: Depression

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Post by dragonwriter »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #71
DanBC wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> , on the other hand vitamin D cured me. That's what my aunt says about homeopathy.

Amusing. On the one hand, homoeopathy is just expensive water, so it probably can't do much harm. Except that people might substitute it for actual medicine , or other therapies, that do work . On the other hand, placebos work , so . On the other-other hand (you make me wish I had three hands), vitamin deficiency is a real thing.

> On the one hand, homoeopathy is just expensive water,

No, it's not, homeopathic remedies have been recalled multiple times for having serious harmful ingredients, most often dangerous levels of things on the official ingredient list that would not be possible with the claimed dilution.

The thing to realize with homeopathy is that it claims to be made by a process that would leave only expensive water, but because of that it is not subject to the kind of controls which would provide any advance assurance that anything like the claimed process is actually used. So, effectively, homeopathy could be just about anything.

Re: Depression

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Post by cimmanom »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #34
mabbo wrote: post #18

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On the one hand, answers like this always seem to over-simplify. Oh hey just take this vitamin and the soul sucking demon that's been riding on your shoulder for years, decades, will magically go away. On the other, I spent nearly two decades of my life suffering from this horrendous illness, and nothing has helped as much as daily magnesium does. I take a big Magnesium pill, a men's health multivitamin and I add D i…

Yeah, on the one hand I'm strongly against drive-by one liners, on the other hand vitamin D cured me . I was already taking magnesium, B6 ... everything else. 8000 to 12000IU of Vitamin D a day for four weeks weeks cured me of my suicidal ideation / depression / emotional instability / irritability. I went to the doctor and got a prescription for antidepressants a couple of times, drove to the pharmacist and sat in t…

Hypothesis: lots of different micronutrient deficiencies (as well as factors unrelated to nutrition) can cause or exacerbate depression.

For a lot of people, supplementing with a specific vitamin/mineral will help. For many others it will have minimal to no effect.

Re: Depression

#74

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

cimmanom wrote: post #73
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, on the one hand I'm strongly against drive-by one liners, on the other hand vitamin D cured me . I was already taking magnesium, B6 ... everything else. 8000 to 12000IU of Vitamin D a day for four weeks weeks cured me of my suicidal ideation / depression / emotional instability / irritability. I went to the doctor and got a prescription for antidepressants a couple of times, drove to the pharmacist and sat in t…

Hypothesis: lots of different micronutrient deficiencies (as well as factors unrelated to nutrition) can cause or exacerbate depression. For a lot of people, supplementing with a specific vitamin/mineral will help. For many others it will have minimal to no effect.

I agree. Vitamin D deficiency can be tested for, and the symptoms are well know.

It's probably worth having a test for Vitamin D if you have any depressive tendencies.

Re: Depression

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

mabbo wrote: post #64
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, on the one hand I'm strongly against drive-by one liners, on the other hand vitamin D cured me . I was already taking magnesium, B6 ... everything else. 8000 to 12000IU of Vitamin D a day for four weeks weeks cured me of my suicidal ideation / depression / emotional instability / irritability. I went to the doctor and got a prescription for antidepressants a couple of times, drove to the pharmacist and sat in t…

Yeah, I added the vitamin D after spending most of a winter in Edinburgh. Lovely city- but it's 56 degrees north. That city will get less than 7 hours of daylight today.

At the winter solstice, the city I live in, at 41 degrees south, gets 9 hours and 10 minutes of daylight.

I spend 10 of those indoors at work.

It's not feasible for me to get enough sun light most of the year.

Re: Depression

#76

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

dragonwriter wrote: post #72
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amusing. On the one hand, homoeopathy is just expensive water, so it probably can't do much harm. Except that people might substitute it for actual medicine , or other therapies, that do work . On the other hand, placebos work , so . On the other-other hand (you make me wish I had three hands), vitamin deficiency is a real thing.

> On the one hand, homoeopathy is just expensive water, No, it's not, homeopathic remedies have been recalled multiple times for having serious harmful ingredients, most often dangerous levels of things on the official ingredient list that would not be possible with the claimed dilution. The thing to realize with homeopathy is that it claims to be made by a process that would leave only expensive water, but because o…

Yikes! Right, well, that's none good.

Re: Depression

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Post by _0w8t »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #70
_0w8t wrote: post #58

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One is strongly advised to measure D to get the levels of both D25 and D1,25 forms of D when one suspects D deficiency. Normally only D25 is tested, but that may miss the case of low D25 and high D1,25. This happens with some chronic infections when the body shifts D towards D1,25 to rise immune system activities. Taking D supliments then suppresses immune system. As a result one may feel better as there is less dead…

I haven't heard of this axis before. Can you point me to some further reading, thanks. I'm not in any high-risk categories for asymptomatic chronic infections, so I'm not sure this is a concern. There remains a question: should health, asymptomatic, fit / active, non-smoking, non-drinking, individuals, undergo a barrage of tests at Medicare's (public health insurer in Australia) expense? Also, I studied nutritional m…

See [1] or just search for “vitamin D immune suppression”.

I very much agree that a healthy person should not do random tests. But when there is a suspicion of deficiency, one should investigate thoroughly before taking big doses of a steroid hormone that may suppress immune system otherwise known as “Vitamin D”.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160567/

Re: Depression

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Post by oselhn »

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It was the same for me. I was scared that I would be dependent on drugs for the rest of my life. So I avoided doctor and cured myself with some kind of "psychoterapy" and change of lifestyle. When I felt really down I smoked marijuana a little but not more than once a week for the same reason.

Re: Depression

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

_0w8t wrote: post #77
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't heard of this axis before. Can you point me to some further reading, thanks. I'm not in any high-risk categories for asymptomatic chronic infections, so I'm not sure this is a concern. There remains a question: should health, asymptomatic, fit / active, non-smoking, non-drinking, individuals, undergo a barrage of tests at Medicare's (public health insurer in Australia) expense? Also, I studied nutritional m…

See [1] or just search for “vitamin D immune suppression”. I very much agree that a healthy person should not do random tests. But when there is a suspicion of deficiency, one should investigate thoroughly before taking big doses of a steroid hormone that may suppress immune system otherwise known as “Vitamin D”. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160567/

Thanks for the link, will have a read tonight.

Re: Depression

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Post by nnd »

DanBC wrote: post #61
claudiawerner wrote: post #59

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I thought this much was obvious; the idea that one can necessarily simply remember trauma was banished very early in the fields of psychology and psychoanalysis. It's a little disappointing to see that people continually underestimate the power of the unconscious.

The idea that people can't remember trauma but that it still affects them, and what we really need to do is to uncover those repressed memories has caused immense harm.

What harm has it caused exactly?
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