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Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by adrianscott »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #22
jonnathanson wrote: post #19

I went through O'Hare recently, where they've installed a battery of these devices. The way they had it set up, it was used as the secondary screener for people who got called out for random searches. Guess who got called for "random" searches in the machine? Pretty much every hot chick in line. Now, this observation was purely anecdotal, so take it for what it is. But the coincidence was not lost on me, or on anyone…

I thought only women operated the machinery where women were scanned and only men, where the men are scanned?

nope

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by nodata »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #22
jonnathanson wrote: post #19

I went through O'Hare recently, where they've installed a battery of these devices. The way they had it set up, it was used as the secondary screener for people who got called out for random searches. Guess who got called for "random" searches in the machine? Pretty much every hot chick in line. Now, this observation was purely anecdotal, so take it for what it is. But the coincidence was not lost on me, or on anyone…

I thought only women operated the machinery where women were scanned and only men, where the men are scanned?

Well how would you ever know? You never get to see.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by roc »

binarymax wrote: post #3

The repeated "Opt out!" yelling tactic is obviously a way to intimidate and humiliate the participant, and dissuade anyone else who would otherwise choose to opt out. I have not had the opportunity to opt out yet. But when I do, I will gladly join in the opt out screaming session, and add some other choice words of my own. I refuse to quietly be a part of some absurd bureaucratic plot that slowly and steadily strips…

The whole invasive pat-down is just a way to intimidate and humiliate people away from that choice.

This is the last straw for me, personally. I'll just be vacationing closer to home now or working old-school road trips into my plans. Maybe if the outraged take a few less flights a year, the vacation, airline and union lobbies will take up the cause.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by corin_ »

daten wrote: post #16
teilo wrote: post #7

I am seriously tempted to find some metal tape for the next time I have to fly, "mark up" my t-shirt with a suggestion as to where the TSA can shove their body-scan machine, and walk through side-ways.

Your idea reminds me of this story from 2006. Milwaukee resident Ryan Bird wrote "Kip Hawley is an Idiot" on a plastic bag given to passengers by airport security. As a result he claims he was detained and told that the First Amendment did not apply to security checkpoints. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/606142... Kip Hawley was the head of TSA at the time.

All it reminds me of is the person who actually had that idea, on this site, five days ago.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1849311

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by roc »

shasta wrote: post #17
yardie wrote: post #4

Just got through the airport lastweek and didn't have to deal with this silliness. But I can't wait to go back to the US so I can opt-out. I'm not a perv, but can't wait to see the look on the screener's face while s/he's forced to touch my johnson. "That's not a roll of quarters my friend" :-)

"I was going to guess nickels."

"half-a-pack of certs?"

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by barrkel »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #22
jonnathanson wrote: post #19

I went through O'Hare recently, where they've installed a battery of these devices. The way they had it set up, it was used as the secondary screener for people who got called out for random searches. Guess who got called for "random" searches in the machine? Pretty much every hot chick in line. Now, this observation was purely anecdotal, so take it for what it is. But the coincidence was not lost on me, or on anyone…

I thought only women operated the machinery where women were scanned and only men, where the men are scanned?

Gender doesn't necessarily determine sexual orientation; the machines are required to have facilities to store and transmit images; and besides, the mere power of forcefully suggesting someone submit to a strip search is titillation in itself, quite apart from viewing any resulting imagery.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by jamii »

ceejayoz wrote: post #11
daten wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally I would feel perfectly safe flying without any security screening at the airports. No "terrorists" have been attacking schools, churches, malls, buses, trains, bridges, theaters, libraries, office buildings, etc. Either they only attack planes (not even the airports themselves) or there aren't enough terrorists to justify this amount of "security".

I've always been baffled by the lack of those sorts of attacks. One can imagine the economic damage if everyone was terrified to go to malls, grocery stores, schools, etc. Amazon.com would be about the only company to come out okay.

I hate to keep making a point of this, but it has happened in the past and the solution wasn't pretty. Wikipedia says:

The Troubles' impact on the ordinary people of Northern Ireland produced such psychological trauma that the city of Belfast had been compared to London during the Blitz. [104] The stress resulting from bomb attacks, street disturbances, security checkpoints, and the constant military presence had the strongest effect on children and young adults. [105] In addition to the violence and intimidation, there was chronic unemployment and a severe housing shortage. Vandalism was also a major problem. In the 1970s there were 10,000 vandalised empty houses in Belfast alone. Most of the vandals were aged between eight and thirteen. [106] Activities for young people were limited, with pubs fortified and cinemas closed. Just to go shopping in the city centre required passing through security gates and being subjected to body searches.

In addition, some statistics from the same page:

Injuries 47,541

Shootings 36,923

Armed robberies 22,539

People charged with paramilitary offences 19,605

Bombings and attempted bombings 16,209

Arson 2,225 [citation needed]

I'm constantly amazed that after surviving the Troubles we over-react so massively to a couple of nutjobs lighting their crotches. Al Qaeda are incompetent morons. PIRA were fucking scary.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by travisp »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #22
jonnathanson wrote: post #19

I went through O'Hare recently, where they've installed a battery of these devices. The way they had it set up, it was used as the secondary screener for people who got called out for random searches. Guess who got called for "random" searches in the machine? Pretty much every hot chick in line. Now, this observation was purely anecdotal, so take it for what it is. But the coincidence was not lost on me, or on anyone…

I thought only women operated the machinery where women were scanned and only men, where the men are scanned?

What's your citation for that? I've never heard of this and there's no mention of it on the TSA website.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

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Post by DifE-Q »

smountcastle wrote: post #15

What happens when a parent has their children opt-out of the full-body scanner? Can the TSA be sued for child abuse or can the parent press for criminal charges for touching?

I have curtailed my domestic flying personally or with my family due to these asinine security theater exhibitions. In all it amounts to about $5000.00 in lost revenue to the airline industry every year. So if enough people do this then hopefully that will send a message to these people.

Now there may be a time when I or my family have to fly and for sure I will be opting out my entire family. When they go to feel-up my children I will ask the person doing it if he/she has a history of child molestation...since they are getting all personal with me and my children I plan on getting personal with them.

I will try and remember to report back when with the results...

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