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Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

#21
I just returned from an international trip a couple of weeks ago and am glad I missed this. However the snap on my pants (!) must have set off the metal detector so I was still patted down.

In what other business is a normal, paying customer treated this way? Not quite the golden age of commercial aviation . . .

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#22

I went through O'Hare recently, where they've installed a battery of these devices. The way they had it set up, it was used as the secondary screener for people who got called out for random searches. Guess who got called for "random" searches in the machine? Pretty much every hot chick in line. Now, this observation was purely anecdotal, so take it for what it is. But the coincidence was not lost on me, or on anyone…

I thought only women operated the machinery where women were scanned and only men, where the men are scanned?

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#23
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally I would feel perfectly safe flying without any security screening at the airports. No "terrorists" have been attacking schools, churches, malls, buses, trains, bridges, theaters, libraries, office buildings, etc. Either they only attack planes (not even the airports themselves) or there aren't enough terrorists to justify this amount of "security".

I've always been baffled by the lack of those sorts of attacks. One can imagine the economic damage if everyone was terrified to go to malls, grocery stores, schools, etc. Amazon.com would be about the only company to come out okay.

Forest fires seem, to me, the low hanging fruit. Lots of economic damage for little effort so the fact they're not being done make me doubt the omnipresence of Emmanuel Goldstein.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

#24

Who is responsible for crafting these procedures, I.E., requiring the body scans or alternative opt-out procedures? Do they have a name besides "Homeland Security"?

Perhaps you're thinking of the Transportation Security Administration?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Adminis...

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

#25
post #18
post #9

Every story about the TSA always seems to end with something like this article did: "Mr. Delahorne said he was perfectly willing to comply with all procedures to ensure good security." There's always a quote about how someone is willing to do what must be done to ensure our safety. It makes me think that news agencies are required to do this or get paid to do this.

I just view it as a sort of standard disclaimer to preempt the usual criticism that dissenters are somehow ignorant, unreasonable, or un-American. Basically: "I'm an otherwise reasonable person in full possession of my faculties."

That's possible but the impression that I have is that by always including such remarks it has the effect of making people who disagree with security measures as wanting something bad to happen. It's sort like the question, "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Instead of focusing on whether or not the measures are appropriate the debate is about whether or not you want to be safe. I think it makes dissenters look bad by making them against being safe.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

#26
post #6

The repeated "Opt out!" yelling tactic is obviously a way to intimidate and humiliate the participant, and dissuade anyone else who would otherwise choose to opt out. I have not had the opportunity to opt out yet. But when I do, I will gladly join in the opt out screaming session, and add some other choice words of my own. I refuse to quietly be a part of some absurd bureaucratic plot that slowly and steadily strips…

"Opt out over here! I'm not going through the strip search!"

and then make a point of loudly enjoying the pat down.

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

#28
post #7

I am seriously tempted to find some metal tape for the next time I have to fly, "mark up" my t-shirt with a suggestion as to where the TSA can shove their body-scan machine, and walk through side-ways.

For women, there are http://www.flyingpasties.com

Re: Opt Out of a Body Scan? Then Brace Yourself

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been baffled by the lack of those sorts of attacks. One can imagine the economic damage if everyone was terrified to go to malls, grocery stores, schools, etc. Amazon.com would be about the only company to come out okay.

Forest fires seem, to me, the low hanging fruit. Lots of economic damage for little effort so the fact they're not being done make me doubt the omnipresence of Emmanuel Goldstein.

I'm surprised Al Qaeda hasn't used the DC snipers as a model.
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