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Re: Depression

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Post by enibundo »

colemickens wrote: post #16
intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

>I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people have depression if they haven't had some type of experience they would classify as trauma. Hm, what do you mean by trauma? I strongly disagreed with this statement, but feel less strongly after writing and considering it more. Maybe the influences that I think vageuly underlie or trigger my existential depression is others would call trauma?

Trauma is everything that you have lived as traumatic. Period.

It can be parents emotional neglect, physical abuse, verbal abuse, judgement, absent as well as siblings, friends etc.

You are the sum of your past experiences.

Re: Depression

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Post by enibundo »

ettercap18 wrote: post #44
mabbo wrote: post #19

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> I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people have depression if they haven't had some type of experience they would classify as trauma. I had a great childhood. Amazing parents. A good upper middle class life. Good friends. No real trauma to speak of at all. By 12, if I'd shared with a doctor what was going on in my head they'd have slapped me with the depression label. I wasn't healthy. There was no…

I got very depressed because I actually had undiagnosed Aspergers. This caused me to get bullied, have problems in school which then turned into depression later. People with Aspergers are incredibly sensitive and blind to emotions making them easy targets. The root cause for me was the Aspergers. What tipped me over the edge was not knowing I was different and being put into a school environment not suited for someo…

What's the catch once your asperges is diagnosed? What can you do anyways..

Re: Depression

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Post by sealthedeal »

chongli wrote: post #6
Waterluvian wrote: post #2

From my amateur perspective, i think the history of how people treat others with depression may be deeply rooted in the Human flaw of, "the way I experience the sensations of existence must be how everyone else does." I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I remember being so ignorant to depression until I exper…

I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I've been living with depression for almost two decades now. I took up running a few years ago and you're right, it did make me feel good. But there was no way for me to keep it up through the Waterloo winters with mountains of snow, disgusting brown slush, and deadly black…

I believe in you. You sound very smart, and sound like someone that can have a lot going for them. I think it’s super awesome that you can self “diagnose” your struggles. I have two points and I hope they help you gain some clarity or maybe spur some thoughts.

1. You mention the weather changing affects your jogging. What stops you from moving somewhere more south where the weather is better year round for jogging?

2. You seem to be able to self reflect which technically means you know how to “fix@ what’s going on. That’s amazing!! The fact that you can self diagnose and talk about it is leaps and bounds ahead of most people. I guess what I’m getting at is if you can self diagnose I’m willing to bet you can self heal just as easy :)

You sound super smart and I know, you know, how to get things back on track!

Re: Depression

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Post by shin_lao »

I personally think that mental illness is the #1 challenge of western societies.

It's not just about personality disorders, mood disorders, psychosis, and other illnesses, but also milder conditions that have a very high, hidden cost and not only affect the lives of those who suffer from it, but everyone around them.

If you live in a big city, you will meet people with mental conditions and knowing how to react can make a world of difference for them and you.

Re: Depression

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Post by dblohm7 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #8
chongli wrote: post #6

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I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I've been living with depression for almost two decades now. I took up running a few years ago and you're right, it did make me feel good. But there was no way for me to keep it up through the Waterloo winters with mountains of snow, disgusting brown slush, and deadly black…

I'm a UW grad and have the same story. Find my contact through my profile and shoot me an email if you'd like. Or try to reach out to on campus counselling services. They may very well have saved my life. and I have to say, things are very different and so much better now. It's amazing how much life can change in time.

UW grad here, I was suffering through undiagnosed depression and adult-onset ADHD. One of my biggest regrets is that I was not properly diagnosed until my thirties. GP, do follow Waterluvian's advice and seek help. Now is the time!

Re: Depression

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

ramphastidae wrote: post #45
projektir wrote: post #32

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Mostly I just want what it says on the label to comply with what is in the bottle. So I'm generally not happy with "should be OK", I want "someone tested this and it actually does have this much Magnesium in it specifically".

There is a website called Labdoor which does exactly this.

Thanks for mentioning this, I hadn't seen it before.

Re: Depression

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Post by projektir »

ramphastidae wrote: post #45
projektir wrote: post #32

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Mostly I just want what it says on the label to comply with what is in the bottle. So I'm generally not happy with "should be OK", I want "someone tested this and it actually does have this much Magnesium in it specifically".

There is a website called Labdoor which does exactly this.

Damn, nice.

And, yikes: https://labdoor.com/review/solgar-magnesium-citrate

Re: Depression

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Post by _0w8t »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #49
tayo42 wrote: post #48

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did you get tested for having low vitamin d or something? how did you end up deciding to take that much?

I didn’t bother with a test, the symptoms, when I finally connected the dots, were indicative enough for me to give it a go. It’s not uncommon for doctors around these parts to prescribe pharmastist depended 20,000IU gel caps, after a test of course. Also, there was an article doing the rounds a few months back indicating we neee way more vitamin D than the current guidelines. I’ll see if I can dig it up. Edit to add…

One is strongly advised to measure D to get the levels of both D25 and D1,25 forms of D when one suspects D deficiency. Normally only D25 is tested, but that may miss the case of low D25 and high D1,25. This happens with some chronic infections when the body shifts D towards D1,25 to rise immune system activities. Taking D supliments then suppresses immune system. As a result one may feel better as there is less dead bacteria or viruses that the body needs to get rid of and that may cause allergic reactions and even depression. But then the underlining infection continues unchecked and long-term effects can be bad.

Re: Depression

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Post by claudiawerner »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #26
intralizee wrote: post #20

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What sort of thoughts were in your head at 12? Trauma can be rooted in the subconscious and without one realizing the trauma ever happened.

Exactly. Most people who suffered trauma at an early age cannot identify it without working through it with a therapist.

I thought this much was obvious; the idea that one can necessarily simply remember trauma was banished very early in the fields of psychology and psychoanalysis. It's a little disappointing to see that people continually underestimate the power of the unconscious.

Re: Depression

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Post by DanBC »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #34
mabbo wrote: post #18

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On the one hand, answers like this always seem to over-simplify. Oh hey just take this vitamin and the soul sucking demon that's been riding on your shoulder for years, decades, will magically go away. On the other, I spent nearly two decades of my life suffering from this horrendous illness, and nothing has helped as much as daily magnesium does. I take a big Magnesium pill, a men's health multivitamin and I add D i…

Yeah, on the one hand I'm strongly against drive-by one liners, on the other hand vitamin D cured me . I was already taking magnesium, B6 ... everything else. 8000 to 12000IU of Vitamin D a day for four weeks weeks cured me of my suicidal ideation / depression / emotional instability / irritability. I went to the doctor and got a prescription for antidepressants a couple of times, drove to the pharmacist and sat in t…

> , on the other hand vitamin D cured me.

That's what my aunt says about homeopathy.

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