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Re: Depression

#31

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

projektir wrote: post #28
mabbo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, answers like this always seem to over-simplify. Oh hey just take this vitamin and the soul sucking demon that's been riding on your shoulder for years, decades, will magically go away. On the other, I spent nearly two decades of my life suffering from this horrendous illness, and nothing has helped as much as daily magnesium does. I take a big Magnesium pill, a men's health multivitamin and I add D i…

Iron / Vitamin D / and maybe Magnesium (this one is still new for me and I can't find a good way to get it. What's a good brand for this?) is always my first check for whenever I fall into a slump. If you are depressed/whatever always check your stats if you haven't already (i.e., take a blood test, check your vitamins). Maybe it won't help, but better get that out of the way because those things can make a dramatic…

Not affiliated in anyway, just a happy customer.

I buy quite a few things from iherb.com, their shipping from California to Tasmania is quite swift, and they sell a brand called Now Foods which seem to consistently have what I want at the best price.

Any of the magnesium glycinate, citrate, orotate, here https://www.iherb.com/c/Magnesium should be okay. You just want to avoid magnesium oxide, it's poorly absorbed and causes water retention in the guy, possibly leading to loose bowels.

Here in Australia we're lucky to have a few brands that do good magnesium gylcinate / citrate / orotate powders with cofactors - a few B vitamins, but especially B6, folate, B12.

One good way to lose yourself in this is to start with The Nutrient Bible by Henry Osiecki.

Re: Depression

#32

Post by projektir »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #31
projektir wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iron / Vitamin D / and maybe Magnesium (this one is still new for me and I can't find a good way to get it. What's a good brand for this?) is always my first check for whenever I fall into a slump. If you are depressed/whatever always check your stats if you haven't already (i.e., take a blood test, check your vitamins). Maybe it won't help, but better get that out of the way because those things can make a dramatic…

Not affiliated in anyway, just a happy customer. I buy quite a few things from iherb.com, their shipping from California to Tasmania is quite swift, and they sell a brand called Now Foods which seem to consistently have what I want at the best price. Any of the magnesium glycinate, citrate, orotate, here https://www.iherb.com/c/Magnesium should be okay. You just want to avoid magnesium oxide, it's poorly absorbed and…

Mostly I just want what it says on the label to comply with what is in the bottle. So I'm generally not happy with "should be OK", I want "someone tested this and it actually does have this much Magnesium in it specifically".

Re: Depression

#33

Post by mthoms »

intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

While this study did find a correlation (unsurprisingly) between depression and childhood trauma. It also found that 1 in 4 sufferers had experienced none at all.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4677006/

Are you suggesting a staggering 25% of depression sufferers have repressed memories? If so, I'd like to point out that there is no scientific consensus that it even exists:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repressed_memory#Criticism :

The existence of repressed memory recovery has not been accepted by mainstream psychology, nor unequivocally proven to exist, and some experts in the field of human memory feel that no credible scientific support exists for the notions of repressed/recovered memories

Re: Depression

#34

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

mabbo wrote: post #18
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried Vitamin D and magnesium aminoacid chelate / orotate / citrate.

On the one hand, answers like this always seem to over-simplify. Oh hey just take this vitamin and the soul sucking demon that's been riding on your shoulder for years, decades, will magically go away. On the other, I spent nearly two decades of my life suffering from this horrendous illness, and nothing has helped as much as daily magnesium does. I take a big Magnesium pill, a men's health multivitamin and I add D i…

Yeah, on the one hand I'm strongly against drive-by one liners, on the other hand vitamin D cured me.

I was already taking magnesium, B6 ... everything else.

8000 to 12000IU of Vitamin D a day for four weeks weeks cured me of my suicidal ideation / depression / emotional instability / irritability.

I went to the doctor and got a prescription for antidepressants a couple of times, drove to the pharmacist and sat in the carpark in my car crying for half an hour before I drove home without getting the medication.

Vitamin D was the keystone that's made all the other supplements work way better.

Now I'm on a much lower maintenance dose, a few hundred IU a day average taken as larger random doses throughout the week.

I guess it makes sense if I think about it, I get almost no sun exposure, and when I am outside I'm covered in long sleep and pants because the sun here in Tasmania is either too low in the sky to warrant shorts and a tshirt, or it's summer and the sun here cooks my pale skin in minutes.

Your millage may vary. Vitamin D and magnesium are considered very non-toxic even at stupendously high dosages for short periods of time. And they're both fairly cheap.

Disclaimer: this does not constitute medical advice, do your own research, and all of that. I'm not insured to give nutritional advice.

Re: Depression

#35

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

projektir wrote: post #32
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not affiliated in anyway, just a happy customer. I buy quite a few things from iherb.com, their shipping from California to Tasmania is quite swift, and they sell a brand called Now Foods which seem to consistently have what I want at the best price. Any of the magnesium glycinate, citrate, orotate, here https://www.iherb.com/c/Magnesium should be okay. You just want to avoid magnesium oxide, it's poorly absorbed and…

Mostly I just want what it says on the label to comply with what is in the bottle. So I'm generally not happy with "should be OK", I want "someone tested this and it actually does have this much Magnesium in it specifically".

Yeah, tricky. I think Australia generally has more rigorous regulations / standards. But maybe I'm just deluding myself.

Maybe you could import a few pounds of magnesium glycinate and have it tested, I've heard the testing isn't that expensive when you're dealing with multiple thousands of doses of a product.

Re: Depression

#36

Post by Tomte »

qrian wrote: post #25

Is it just me or is this site literally completely unreadable? Its font color is too similar to the background for me. Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/KFzMuaF.jpg

It's rgb(142, 142, 142) on white. Very readable.

Re: Depression

#37

Post by mthoms »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #26
intralizee wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of thoughts were in your head at 12? Trauma can be rooted in the subconscious and without one realizing the trauma ever happened.

Exactly. Most people who suffered trauma at an early age cannot identify it without working through it with a therapist.

I think perhaps you wrote "most people" when you meant to write "some people"?

If not, then I'd kindly ask you to provide a citation. Cheers.

Re: Depression

#38

Post by gkcgautam »

qrian wrote: post #25

Is it just me or is this site literally completely unreadable? Its font color is too similar to the background for me. Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/KFzMuaF.jpg

Yes, the mobile web version of the website has a dark background color which makes the text extremely difficult to read. The desktop website has a white background.

Re: Depression

#39

Post by nurettin »

bahro wrote: post #24
intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

Have you played Depression Quest? http://www.depressionquest.com/dqfinal.html

"You've been in therapy for some time now, and have started to be able to realize what is a rational fear and what is not. You feel like you might be simply being insecure ..."

I think this is the gist of the entire ordeal of depression. You simply mature up and grow out of it in time.

Re: Depression

#40

Post by intralizee »

mthoms wrote: post #33
intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

While this study did find a correlation (unsurprisingly) between depression and childhood trauma. It also found that 1 in 4 sufferers had experienced none at all. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4677006/ Are you suggesting a staggering 25% of depression sufferers have repressed memories? If so, I'd like to point out that there is no scientific consensus that it even exists: From https://en.wikipedia.org/…

I'm not sure how the best way is to respond.

Even if the critique suggests "the memories may be false or distorted" the essence still holds properties in how the person has been modified by it. I would still consider the person suffering from trauma associated to it. Trauma from misinterpretation is just as real in comparison to trauma from an event that did in fact happen. Both may result in a person being altered negatively.

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