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Re: Depression

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Post by uxcolumbo »

sharadov wrote: post #9
chongli wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I've been living with depression for almost two decades now. I took up running a few years ago and you're right, it did make me feel good. But there was no way for me to keep it up through the Waterloo winters with mountains of snow, disgusting brown slush, and deadly black…

Have you tried lifting weights, get a couple of kettlebells, watch some youtube videos, most are HIIT routines, they give you both a cardio/weight training workout. 20 mins all it takes, when I can't get to the gym, that's my go to.

I was going to suggest the same thing. The spetnatz and some navy seals guys say it's the next best thing to a gym.

Check out this routine:

https://www.strongfirst.com/achieve/sinister/

Re: Depression

#12

Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

chongli wrote: post #6
Waterluvian wrote: post #2

From my amateur perspective, i think the history of how people treat others with depression may be deeply rooted in the Human flaw of, "the way I experience the sensations of existence must be how everyone else does." I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I remember being so ignorant to depression until I exper…

I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I've been living with depression for almost two decades now. I took up running a few years ago and you're right, it did make me feel good. But there was no way for me to keep it up through the Waterloo winters with mountains of snow, disgusting brown slush, and deadly black…

Have you tried Vitamin D and magnesium aminoacid chelate / orotate / citrate.

Re: Depression

#13

Post by [deleted] »

Koshkin wrote: post #10
woodandsteel wrote: post #5

This is fascinating. I didn't realized the scientists had developed such a detailed understanding of depression.

Knowing the way we are made is depressing. Too many moving parts, too much complexity, too much uncertainty, too many things can (and do) go wrong. And there's not much we can do about it. At the same time, it is quite amazing that we are sturdy enough not to fall apart the moment we are born but instead last for many years.

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Re: Depression

#14

Post by intralizee »

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different?

I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people have depression if they haven't had some type of experience they would classify as trauma. I think one solution is defeating the trauma with after decoupling the negative thinking patterns. Another problem is I think the illness cannot be defeated in some rare circumstances. I think people get prescribed medication too often. Doctors use the diagnosis too often from my observation. Some have tried to label me with it, when I suffer from another illness "gender dysphoria" and I think that isn't right for them to do. I also think the diagnosis is too vague and should have classifications.

I believe more resources need to be put into educating people and how to approach mental health as important to physical health. When I grew up in the US, it was always about physical health and with a little sex education. Mental health might be even more important because it can prevent a person from having good physical health.

Re: Depression

#15

Post by 52-6F-62 »

chongli wrote: post #6
Waterluvian wrote: post #2

From my amateur perspective, i think the history of how people treat others with depression may be deeply rooted in the Human flaw of, "the way I experience the sensations of existence must be how everyone else does." I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I remember being so ignorant to depression until I exper…

I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I've been living with depression for almost two decades now. I took up running a few years ago and you're right, it did make me feel good. But there was no way for me to keep it up through the Waterloo winters with mountains of snow, disgusting brown slush, and deadly black…

Buddy, I’m not too far away. I’ve done a lot and I’ve got a lot to share— especially if you need some encouragement. I’m in Toronto now, but happy to help. I come from the rural reaches of the province so I know it can get hard. Let me know. Happy to talk.

Re: Depression

#16

Post by colemickens »

intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

>I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people have depression if they haven't had some type of experience they would classify as trauma.

Hm, what do you mean by trauma? I strongly disagreed with this statement, but feel less strongly after writing and considering it more. Maybe the influences that I think vageuly underlie or trigger my existential depression is others would call trauma?

Re: Depression

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Post by agumonkey »

intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

There are cases where environment is the cause of your pain, if your family desintegrate and all your good times are not coming back it will hurt you and may cause depression.

Also subtle factors in how you think and feel about things and your location, a single change of place can restore things in you that you couldn't really alter on your own previously.

Re: Depression

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Post by mabbo »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #12
chongli wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't exactly fault the default response to be, "I don't get it. Just get off your butt and go for a jog. I always feel better when I do that." I've been living with depression for almost two decades now. I took up running a few years ago and you're right, it did make me feel good. But there was no way for me to keep it up through the Waterloo winters with mountains of snow, disgusting brown slush, and deadly black…

Have you tried Vitamin D and magnesium aminoacid chelate / orotate / citrate.

On the one hand, answers like this always seem to over-simplify. Oh hey just take this vitamin and the soul sucking demon that's been riding on your shoulder for years, decades, will magically go away.

On the other, I spent nearly two decades of my life suffering from this horrendous illness, and nothing has helped as much as daily magnesium does.

I take a big Magnesium pill, a men's health multivitamin and I add D in the winter. Even my sleep apnea went away, and there's no damn reason that makes any sense.

Biology is stupid.

Re: Depression

#19

Post by mabbo »

intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

> I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people have depression if they haven't had some type of experience they would classify as trauma.

I had a great childhood. Amazing parents. A good upper middle class life. Good friends. No real trauma to speak of at all.

By 12, if I'd shared with a doctor what was going on in my head they'd have slapped me with the depression label. I wasn't healthy. There was no event or trauma. This shit is genetic- I can tell which relatives on my Mom's side have the demon riding on their shoulders. They, like me, were born with it. I'm sure they can see it on me too.

Trauma can indeed trigger it, but there are a lot of other ways. Don't presume that just because someone suffers from depression that they have been traumatized, nor that someone who hasn't been traumatized can't suffer from depression.

Re: Depression

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Post by intralizee »

mabbo wrote: post #19
intralizee wrote: post #14

As a programmer trying to imagine how I would construct & create depression for a simulation. I think it would make sense to have a negative state that turns "on or off" against the will, associated with unwanted thinking patterns, current life circumstances and some type of past trauma playing a big role in the illness. Anyone think of something different? I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people h…

> I believe past trauma is the root cause and I doubt people have depression if they haven't had some type of experience they would classify as trauma. I had a great childhood. Amazing parents. A good upper middle class life. Good friends. No real trauma to speak of at all. By 12, if I'd shared with a doctor what was going on in my head they'd have slapped me with the depression label. I wasn't healthy. There was no…

What sort of thoughts were in your head at 12? Trauma can be rooted in the subconscious and without one realizing the trauma ever happened.
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