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Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

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Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

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You're missing the point. It's not about whether or not the facts he's spamming people with are right or wrong, it's the fact that he's doing it in the first place.

> It's not about whether or not the facts he's spamming people with are right or wrong, it's the fact that he's doing it in the first place. I wouldn't characterise it as spamming. He's sending the messages on one of his own twitter accounts. If he was auto-replying on other people's blogs, he might more accurately be accused of spamming.

Go look at the account:

http://twitter.com/ai_agw

It's not one of his accounts, it's a spam bot. A tongue in cheek, funny pictures, really obvious to computer scientist 'hey I'm a bot' account, but it's still a twitter spam bot.

And the bot is auto replying to random people's tweets. It clearly says so in the article.

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#182
post #73

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Er, you didn't understand it correctly. The bot provides citations. Suppose that human-caused global warming is false. It would still be possible (and common) to make erroneous arguments about how humans aren't causing global warming. Skepticism is great, but most people's pro-X or anti-X nonsense isn't thoughtful skepticism. It's noise. This is a way of injecting signal back into the noise.

You realize that you're defending a bot which provides random citations base on key phrases found in twitter posts on the claim that "most people's ... nonsense isn't ...skepticism, It's noise"? Here is someone providing no thought and adding nothing to the discussion, by definition, he is providing noise. Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean what they say is nonsense. The primary attribute of the glo…

> Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean what they say is nonsense.

If someone disagrees with me, it doesn't mean they're not spouting nonsense.

If someone agrees with me, it doesn't mean they're making sense.

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#183
post #89

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Sans evidence? So, satellite data, weather station data, ice core data, coral reef data, tree ring data, ad infinitum - all independent measurements, all agreeing with each other, is not enough? Let me put it another way - what evidence would make you change your mind and accept that global warming is happening?

If the planet were actually getting warmer, as CO2 goes up, over the last decade, that would go a long way towards making your theory worth listening to. You did not provide any evidence at all. You just linked to propaganda from an advocate of your position who made assertions, sans evidence. Yet you linking to propaganda, as far as you're concerned, allows you to claim that you provided a laundry list of evidence--…

"If the planet were actually getting warmer, as CO2 goes up, over the last decade, that would go a long way towards making your theory worth listening to."

Um....you do realize that's exactly what has happened, right?

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#184

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So this was the one and only mistake on IPCC part? Even if I misunderstand IPCC process looks like they are not happy with it themselves: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100616/full/news.2010.302.ht...

You are disagreeing with an incidental comment that is not even the thrust of my argument on a FUD basis, but anyway. That article in Nature interviewed some people associated with the process who expressed not one jot of disbelief in the report. They wished the mistake hadn't happened, and had been caught sooner, and suggested ways to reduce mistakes in the future, but no-one thinks that mistake invalidates the repo…

I am not talking about beliefs there. The main point why discussion about the need of change started is this:

  > "To me the fundamental problem was that when the error
  > was found it was handled in a totally and utterly
  > atrocious manner".
IPCC is a political organization, not scientific.

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#185

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Look, here's the thing. We know that CO2 absorbs light energy in the frequencies reflected by the Earth more than the frequencies that arrive from the sun. That is, any CO2 that you have in your atmosphere is going to lead to an increase in the rate of absorbtion of energy from the sun on a planetary scale. The spectrum of Earth's reflected light has been confirmed by satellites, the absorbtion spectrum of CO2 has be…

I just want to say: Thank you. This is the first time someone has actually explained the science without bullshit or a large number of holes ("oh look here's a graph with CO2, and here's a graph with temperature, they seem to be doing the same thing - that explains everything ").

It's odd to me that you wouldn't have browsed wikipedia or come across a better explanation of global warming than "here are some graphs"

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#186
post #31

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How about building partially underwater coastline? Though, it could be an issue if there is a crack in the window. Instead of trying to stop global warming, maybe we should try living with it.

I've been fascinated with the idea of an ocean arcology being built in shallow waters and instead of starting 'ground' up, but simply start construction of several concrete boat foundations. When positioned, simply continue constructing. As the boat gets taller, it will displace to a greater depth until it eventually hits the ocean floor. It would be a very modular way to construct an ocean city. Get them within 500m…

I hang with old ship guys and all of the 'underwater archology' ideas seem to be presented by folks with little real life experience with oceans. Sea water is incredibly powerful and corrosive. Just watch the shoreline, if not maintained someplaces you'll see a huge bolder up out of place and you think "it took a huge crane to put that there" but no, just a storm.

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#187

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> It's not about whether or not the facts he's spamming people with are right or wrong, it's the fact that he's doing it in the first place. I wouldn't characterise it as spamming. He's sending the messages on one of his own twitter accounts. If he was auto-replying on other people's blogs, he might more accurately be accused of spamming.

Go look at the account: http://twitter.com/ai_agw It's not one of his accounts, it's a spam bot. A tongue in cheek, funny pictures, really obvious to computer scientist 'hey I'm a bot' account, but it's still a twitter spam bot. And the bot is auto replying to random people's tweets. It clearly says so in the article.

> It's not one of his accounts, it's a spam bot.

It is a twitter account. He has the password to it, and presumerably no one else does.

That makes it his twitter account.

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#188
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post #57

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I think he's just rallying against this postmodern delusion that all opinions are equally valid, when the weight of scientific evidence is clearly on his side. And he's not exactly chasing people down, he's just responding to people who are deliberately putting their opinions out there.

Except that the weight of scientific evidence is not on his side. The science clearly points against the global warming hypothesis. It is merely that there is a political/religious/ideological movement to claim that "global warming is settled science" (with no citations, naturally, not that any legitimat scientist would make such a claim anyway.) The earth is getting colder. The termperature changes we've seen over s…

> The science clearly points against the global warming hypothesis.

I can't believe this gets upvotes. No citations, no evidence. Fucking depressing.

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#189
post #45

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"I suspect that part of the problem is that, at least with climate deniers, is that there's no real meat to their arguments. I know a few, and most of their arguments boil down to hearsay or "denier blog X says so, and who trusts Obama/the UN world government anyway". If they provided a link to something supporting their position I'd probably pass out from shock." All of the global warming data is based on informatio…

>> If they provided a link to something supporting their position I'd probably pass out from shock." > All of the global warming data is based on information that has been falsified.... Thank you for proving my point so concisely.

really? I really have to explain this? You don't remember the breach of data, the emails, and all of the universities that came out and admit that all of their claims were based on the same data?

I figured everyone would know what I was talking about, but I guess some people don't pay attention to the news as closely as I do.

Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense

#190
post #124

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Are you saying that the projections for the future should fit the past? I'm sorry.

Are you saying, that a model which does not fit past data will somehow correctly predict the future?

Nope.

I'm saying that the models should fit the past data. I think I misunderstood lzw. :)

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