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Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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Sigh. No offense but it's comments like this that remind me why no, I haven't tried desktop linux recently. No, I am not going to mess around trying KDE Plasma or SomethingElse Tumbleweed or OpenWuffe SnufflePuss XL or any other of the billion permutations of half-baked shit which might or might not work. I am mid-career, I have money, I have little time and even less interest in fucking around with any of that just…

> and it will probably take a big company to actually do it The lack of a company controlling Linux is exactly why it's Linux. I am surprised that someone who is mid-career, has money, and little time doesn't know that.

I always saw Canonical as trying to do this, considering what pains they used to go through to not use the term 'Linux' in their marketing. They were playing things as though Ubuntu was their own platform (and in many ways, given the different ways that Ubuntu used to break compatibility with plain Debian, it was) — their own software centre, their own desktop, their own services.

Many of those seem to have gone by the wayside: Unity deprecated in favour of GNOME 3, Ubuntu One dead. It makes me wonder if Canonical found out that it just can't be done, that pissing off the people involved in the projects upon which Ubuntu depends by sacrificing some of the sense of community in exchange the It Just Works™ magic towards which they have been working is ultimately a fool's game in the current ecosystem.

I find that a shame. I thought Ubuntu had the potential to be a sort of macOS for Linux: built upon a free base, contributing heavily to other projects from which it takes, but also adding Ubuntu-specific stuff (still open source, of course) that disrupts the Linux desktop ecosystem to make the current other players (KDE, GNOME, Xfce, etc.) feel like amateur hour. At one time, it felt like Unity could've been Ubuntu's macOS desktop and I could swear they were heavily promoting some Python API for desktop apps that might've been to Ubuntu as Cocoa is to macOS. That also seems to have changed.

Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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Give openSuse Tumbleweed a try, with KDE Plasma. I've been running it on a 10 year old XPS 13, smooth as butter. Or KDE Neon if you'd rather have an Ubuntu core. I heard good things about it but didn't try.

Sigh. No offense but it's comments like this that remind me why no, I haven't tried desktop linux recently. No, I am not going to mess around trying KDE Plasma or SomethingElse Tumbleweed or OpenWuffe SnufflePuss XL or any other of the billion permutations of half-baked shit which might or might not work. I am mid-career, I have money, I have little time and even less interest in fucking around with any of that just…

LOL, no.

As a mid-career DINC in a 2% income bracket married to a 1%'er, I too, have money but not much time. That is why I will never not use a Linux desktop. Everything just works on my XPS 13 arch + i3. I also own the previous gen mbpro, I think I used that last year may. Just the idea of me wasting time with osx or windows is sneeringly ludicrous.

Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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Here's a dopey idea: What if Microsoft open-sourced the Windows NT kernel? (While retaining some proprietary drivers, etc..) If handled well, a community would blossom around "NT," with multiple "unofficial" distros (maybe one with full POSIX compatibility), and lots and lots of happy developers. If things went really well, they might even achieve the resources necessary to create Windows Phone 2.0. Microsoft could s…

There would be nothing to stop anyone else launching their own app stores, and other cloud vendors would immediately be better able to compete with Azure, so both those streams of revenue would be dramatically weakened, not strengthened.

Enterprise support contracts are mainly about OS upgrades and patches. That would probably stay the same for MS, they would dominate in the same way Red Hat dominates the Linux enterprise. I don’t think this would be strengthened in any way though. It would be pros and cons.

Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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I suspect not legally possible. There is a lot of code in the NT kernel from various other companies that at least at one point was under NDA, and a lot probably still is.

That was true of Solaris too, and they managed to work through that.

I imagine that MS could be much further down this line...

Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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I think that such a product, even if developed internally, it would be stopped by the business team. The reason being it would be better than Windows in many aspects.

I'm a long time Linux user, but got an ultraportable lately and kept windows on a small partition (mostly for BIOS updates). Linux was installed without any issues, everything except the fingerprint reader works. The interesting thing is that it does not just work, it works better. The most pronounced difference is the touchpad. On windows it is frequently stuck —and it's not palm rejection because I never had an issue in Linux. The 3 finger click that is paste or _open in new tab_ in Linux, in Windows opens Cortana. With Linux battery lasts longer. With Windows, the fan starts turning without any reason while the process manager says _no process is running_. Very annoying. Windows constantly nug me because I used my skype account which, according to them, does not have an associated email. Applications go into full screen without any indication on how to close them. I have to search for software on the internet, via my browser. The other day I wanted to start Windows for a Lync meeting and it decided it has to install updates and restarted a couple times before allowing me to continue with my life. Perhaps the most infuriating thing was the candy crash tiles that greeted me when I first booted the computer.

I'm not saying you should use Linux, but you should ask for better Windows.

Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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> In addition, for several years now, Microsoft's WSL developers have been working on mapping Linux API calls to Windows and vice-versa. A lot of the work needed for Windows apps to run without modification on Linux has already been done. This argument makes little sense: that "vice versa" is wholly unsubstantiated and without it the rest collapses. Making Linux binaries work on NT (which already has a subsystem conc…

Yeah the article is just plain wrong about WSL being relevant here. WSL is running Linux binaries on an NT kernel. This article wants to run Win32 binaries on a Linux kernel. Totally different problems. I like WSL, but it's not part of the solution here.

(Also WSL's IO performance problems suggest this kind of emulation approach has significant costs.)

Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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I'm in the same boat and have the same thoughts. I'm essentially trapped on OSX, and have been for a decade - sure, with enough pain and effort I might be able to kinda-sorta get by on linux, but in practise the barrier is just too high. And windows has never really even been an option until fairly recently. I'd love to see real competition in the OS space for people who need both a decent app ecosystem and open sour…

> I'm essentially trapped on OSX, and have been for a decade Me too until this May, when it was past time for my aging MB Pro to retire. I really couldn't justify a new one given I don't even like them any more (the Touchbar was the coup de grace). Hence a Dell XPS 15, running Windows 10. I won't pretend the latter is anywhere near as good as OSX (less stable, less consistent UI, generally lower quality apps), but it…

Are you saying Linux won't work out-of-the-box on an XPS 15? Because Dell literally sells those pre-loaded with Ubuntu, even saves you $100.

Re: Could Microsoft release a desktop Linux?

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Yeah, because you know what'd be really great? If Windows had the same fragmentation mess that Linux Desktop does.

One's "fragmentation" is another's "choice".

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