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“Silent Night” turns 200

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Nice choices! IMO the best Christmas songs have a mix of joy and something.. else. Something a little eerie. Not quite foreboding , exactly, but definitely a bit tense. From a certain perspective, maybe this is theologically correct to have a mix of "Yay Jesus is coming!" and also at the same time "Oh shit, he's coming here?!? " For those from other faith traditions, imagine you hear that your CEO is finally going to…

Agreed! My favorite Christmas carols are the ones that aren't just marking a jolly merry festival, but have that "foreboding" melancholy potency you describe. I think G. K. Chesteron did a good job of capturing the sense of it, in his "The Everlasting Man" [0]: >Christmas for us in Christendom has become one thing, and in one sense even a simple thing. But like all the truths of that tradition, it is in another sense…

Never read GK Chesterton, but now I guess I have to. Dude wrote the hell out of that passage.

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Silent Night is interesting (and by that, I mean boring) in that it's your basic three-chord I/IV/V melody.

One might think this structure is only a recent invention with early blues and rock & roll. Is it unusual for a 200-year-old song to follow this pattern? How old is the three-chord musical structure?

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> Is it the greatest Christmas song ever? I’m a church organist inter alia and I doubt any of my fellows would say it was. O Come All Ye Faithful? Certainly. Hark the Herald? Could be. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen with that spine-tingling David Willcocks last verse? Perhaps. But sweet, saccharine Silent Night? It wouldn’t be on the list.

This is funny for me. I'm a singer and organist who has spent my life in churches and I am notorious among all my friends and family for loathing Silent Night (in good fun). It is slow, harmonically uninteresting, but worst of all it is always sung unaccompanied on Christmas Eve, in which time it get slower and flatter until it is at risk of coming to a complete stop. Give me O Come All Ye Faithful or One in Royal Da…

Definitely some survivor bias in your choices, since Adeste Fideles and Veni Emmanuel have Latin names. I'd throw In Dulci Jubilo in the same group of songs that have earned a permanent place in the Christmas songbook.

Re: “Silent Night” turns 200

#34

Silent Night is interesting (and by that, I mean boring) in that it's your basic three-chord I/IV/V melody. One might think this structure is only a recent invention with early blues and rock & roll. Is it unusual for a 200-year-old song to follow this pattern? How old is the three-chord musical structure?

Talking about a rock and roll structure does go nicely with the image from the article, of the debut of the song by a young priest (himself inspired by peace in the face of war) and his composer friend, accompanied by just a guitar.

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Oh Holy Night, when done very well. But it suffers more than most when the performance is just mediocre.

But it suffers more than most when the performance is just mediocre. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiTX_jfUI5Y

https://youtu.be/lmX18C3PBq0

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God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, and Carol of the Bells are my favorites.

Nice choices! IMO the best Christmas songs have a mix of joy and something.. else. Something a little eerie. Not quite foreboding , exactly, but definitely a bit tense. From a certain perspective, maybe this is theologically correct to have a mix of "Yay Jesus is coming!" and also at the same time "Oh shit, he's coming here?!? " For those from other faith traditions, imagine you hear that your CEO is finally going to…

To outsiders, Christianity can seem downright Lovecraftian in the terror it inspires. Ever see Evangelion?

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My theory is that most people who don’t like Silent Night never got to have a truly silent winter night... which of course requires active snowfall with no wind.

Those of us in the Southern Hemisphere never really got the sleighride thing. Not when it's 40ºC.

Come visit Medford, MA (where Jingle Bells is ostensibly set) in late December or January.

Then you'll get it.

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So the copyright expires in 50 years or so?

I know that you’re being sarcastic, but please don’t, because you may confuse someone who is genuinely curious. Silent Night is in the public domain.

Maybe just a /s marker? It made me smile at least.

Re: “Silent Night” turns 200

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> Is it the greatest Christmas song ever? I’m a church organist inter alia and I doubt any of my fellows would say it was. O Come All Ye Faithful? Certainly. Hark the Herald? Could be. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen with that spine-tingling David Willcocks last verse? Perhaps. But sweet, saccharine Silent Night? It wouldn’t be on the list.

Give Bóg się rodzi a try. It is a Polish Christmas song whose lyrics come from ~1792. The melody is much older.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyKE7XbEVpQ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Is_Born

Re: “Silent Night” turns 200

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Silent Night is interesting (and by that, I mean boring) in that it's your basic three-chord I/IV/V melody. One might think this structure is only a recent invention with early blues and rock & roll. Is it unusual for a 200-year-old song to follow this pattern? How old is the three-chord musical structure?

It's not exactly just three chords, with the chord on the first "peace" which according to one source is called a "G# Ø half dimº" chord, followed by the suspension on "heav-" aka "G add9 flat5 6th no3" [1]. There are some really cool passing chords in Silent Night.

[1] http://www.gootar.com/piano5/piano-chord.php

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