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Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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>but was told that Snowboarding is easier than Skiing for absolute beginners. I think the "easier" depends on the target skill level. Skiiing is easier to achieve a beginner skill level. Absolute beginners can point their toes inward and ski "pizza wedges" down easy hills rated as "green" within a few hours. Indeed, many skiiers including adults never leave this stage. But upgrading the skills to intermediate level r…

>changing the technique to shift the body weight to the edges of the skis. This shift can take weeks. There are some ski schools that skip the "pizza wedge" technique and teach beginners directly the weight on edge parallel skis turns. They're very, very progressive independent schools usually. In the French Alps, you can ask about the ESF, which have schools everywhere, and in some (very rare) places teach like this…

I've always known this as "snow plough" rather than pizza wedge. Mind you, my first boots were made of leather and lace up. To be fair they were pretty old when they were chucked over to me aged seven in 1977. They needed to be smeared in dubbin for water proofing and I had bloody cold feet. Luckily they were binned after my first season.

Alpine skis were nearly straight sided when I were a lad and "carvers" only started to appear in the 80's. Transitioning from snow plough, sometimes through stem christies (turn downhill ski and lift and bring uphill ski into it) to proper parallel turns was a rite of passage. Modern skis lend themselves to point and turn much earlier.

When I teach I try to do both snow plough and parallel together because they are both useful techniques. Snow plough for control of speed and stability and parallel for general usage.

One technique I rarely see these days (apart from me) is the "kick turn" which is where you turn yourself 180 degrees in place, regardless of slope. It looks a lot cooler than back sliding and then wacking in a quick slow speed turn.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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Snowboarding absolutely is as fun as it looks, but don't underestimate how much it's going to hurt the day after. I've gone nearly a dozen times and I still end up bruised by the end of the day. Admittedly, I'm a bit clumsier than most, but I've never collided with another human being at least. Also, I was surprised that the article didn't mention the one aspect that I actually found way harder than anything else to…

Absolutely. I'm fortunate enough to have had the opportunity once or twice to try it out in the Pacific NW area and was floored by how sore I was the day after.

Wish it was a more accessible sport in terms of economics.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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Some of the geekiest people I know have become the best skiers/snowboarders on the mountain. I know a guy who used to regularly show up to the terrain park and do double frontflips over 60 foot jumps. He's got a PHD in physics now. I know another guy who used to compete in big air competitions. Senior iOS developer. My friend Brian does double cork 10s. Medical doctor. This sport is for nerds. If you're nerdy, you ha…

PHD in physics. Aha. Maybe that helps. He knows why the snowboard does what it does and goes where it goes.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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Some of the geekiest people I know have become the best skiers/snowboarders on the mountain. I know a guy who used to regularly show up to the terrain park and do double frontflips over 60 foot jumps. He's got a PHD in physics now. I know another guy who used to compete in big air competitions. Senior iOS developer. My friend Brian does double cork 10s. Medical doctor. This sport is for nerds. If you're nerdy, you ha…

> This sport is for nerds. Having a lot of disposable income helps, too. Or if you're a dirtbag, the ability to live as cheaply as possible so you can spend as much time as possible on the mountain.

>Having a lot of disposable income helps, too.

It's not that expensive unless you have to travel far enough warranting an overnight stay. I was able to afford decent equipment and lift passes from working a cashier job in high school. You could buy used equipment for a family of 5 for under $1000. Check out craigslist in some mountain towns, you can find higher end equipment that's a only a few years old for dirt cheap.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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Snowboarding absolutely is as fun as it looks, but don't underestimate how much it's going to hurt the day after. I've gone nearly a dozen times and I still end up bruised by the end of the day. Admittedly, I'm a bit clumsier than most, but I've never collided with another human being at least. Also, I was surprised that the article didn't mention the one aspect that I actually found way harder than anything else to…

I've been riding close to 20 yrs. For the last 10 to 15 I've taught, on average 3 to 5 newbies per year.

The first couple hrs are critical, as is the overall aggregate experience of the first weekend. That is, some falling aside, enjoyment and a sense of progression is more important than actually skill. Skill increases with time.

With that said, after 6 weekends you should be past the crash & burn phase. Have you had a proper lesson? Something feels a miss.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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Snowboarding absolutely is as fun as it looks, but don't underestimate how much it's going to hurt the day after. I've gone nearly a dozen times and I still end up bruised by the end of the day. Admittedly, I'm a bit clumsier than most, but I've never collided with another human being at least. Also, I was surprised that the article didn't mention the one aspect that I actually found way harder than anything else to…

Absolutely. I'm fortunate enough to have had the opportunity once or twice to try it out in the Pacific NW area and was floored by how sore I was the day after. Wish it was a more accessible sport in terms of economics.

You can get used gear pretty cheap. I've seen boards at my local Good Will, and occasionally people offering gear on FreeCycle.

Tickets can hurt. But most hills have specials, etc. Perhaps the times are a bit less convenient but none the less you can avoid full price with some tricks and effort.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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> Skiing and snowboarding does have a reputation of being a risky sport, but the overall injury rate for skiers is a little lower than you may expect with 3 injuries per 1000 skier days. Put another way, if you ski 20 days a year, on average you’ll sustain an injury every 16-17 years. Snowboarders have a higher injury risk with a reported 4-16 injuries per 1000 snowboarder days.

Source: https://www.premax.co/au/blog/recent-statistics-on-skiing-an...

See also: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1303417/

And: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2492000/

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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Snowboarding absolutely is as fun as it looks, but don't underestimate how much it's going to hurt the day after. I've gone nearly a dozen times and I still end up bruised by the end of the day. Admittedly, I'm a bit clumsier than most, but I've never collided with another human being at least. Also, I was surprised that the article didn't mention the one aspect that I actually found way harder than anything else to…

I've been riding close to 20 yrs. For the last 10 to 15 I've taught, on average 3 to 5 newbies per year. The first couple hrs are critical, as is the overall aggregate experience of the first weekend. That is, some falling aside, enjoyment and a sense of progression is more important than actually skill. Skill increases with time. With that said, after 6 weekends you should be past the crash & burn phase. Have you ha…

I've only had one proper lesson, but even so I have definitely experienced a sense of progression. I don't fall getting off lifts, I can do traversals without getting stuck, I can turn smoothly between my edges, I don't have trouble with blues, even moguls are fun. The problem is that I'm not great at paying attention to my surroundings (a problem not exclusive to snowboarding) and end up choosing to fall semi-safely rather than risk knocking a kid or someone. I also have a knack for scheduling my trips when the local slope is too icey to be very enjoyable.

The getting up thing is purely a strength problem. I can't do it from the floor either, can't do pushups, and I don't do enough strength training otherwise to fix that.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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Snowboarding absolutely is as fun as it looks, but don't underestimate how much it's going to hurt the day after. I've gone nearly a dozen times and I still end up bruised by the end of the day. Admittedly, I'm a bit clumsier than most, but I've never collided with another human being at least. Also, I was surprised that the article didn't mention the one aspect that I actually found way harder than anything else to…

Ideally when you are getting up (from either side) you don't need your arms at all. When sitting (front side downhill) pull your heel side edge as close as possible to your butt (more knee bend, how close are your calves to your thighs?) Dig the edge in hard as if you were carving. Lean your chest forward between your legs, including arms downhill of the board, so you center of gravity is close to over the board. Now…

The reason it seems harder to get up on heel rather than toe edge is the center of gravity tends to stay over the board when using toe edge.

The reason why most beginners have trouble is their calves are weak (you may think they are strong, they are not)

The most serious problem for most beginners is not knowing how to fall down properly. Roll on your shoulders or belly flop. Do not jam arms out front or behind you. Your wrists will thank me.

The reason why beginners fall down a lot is a combination of two factors: 1) they go to slow making it harder to turn and 2) they fail to look where they want to go. Looking down at the snow, at trees or at other people usually results in some type of wreck.

If you want to get better, learn to do moguls.

Re: Snowboarding for Geeks

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The secret to learning snowboarding is to wear HOCKEY PANTS. You might look ridiculous, but you look ridiculous anyway because you don't know how to snowboard. So add the hockey pants and save you bum. The confidence of protection will eliminate the fear of constantly falling.

Or get some Azzpadz https://azzpadz.com/ They're pretty comfortable. Used them for the first two years. Also the wrist guards - save yourself an visit to the emergency.

Or learn instead how to fall down properly. Pain is also a great motivator to not fall down.
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