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Rare brain-eating amoebas killed woman who rinsed her sinuses with tap water

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Re: Rare brain-eating amoebas killed woman who rinsed her sinuses with tap water

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I'm a little confused. Was the tap-water untreated (that is, well water)? Can these damn things survive chlorination? They're a known danger swimming in southern (US)- meaning warm- fresh-water lakes and ponds. But- damn, this is scary. Probably because I also use a neti-pot. Neti-pots are often used to help alleviate the symptoms of sinusitis. My neti-pot came with packets of salts that you dissolve in the water, wh…

The salts are to reduce irritation. Plain water is extremely uncomfortable in your sinuses, but saline is fine. As far as I know they do nothing to reduce contaminants in your water or harm bacteria.

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They do, but I am never sure how that is supposed to be practical. You need to use warm water, which is easy with tap water, but hard to do quickly with distilled or boiled water. I know it has risks, but I still use normal tap water. From what I have read, all of the cases are from people using well water, never from city provided, chlorinated water. It actually says this in the article, too.

In practice you don't need to use warm water. I do twice daily saline sinus washes with distilled water and it's pretty low maintenance. Tap would be easier but I've always found the idea of using tap water for this to be gross so it's never been an attractive idea.

Oh man, if the water is room temperature it really hurts my nose.

Re: Rare brain-eating amoebas killed woman who rinsed her sinuses with tap water

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Yea, you need to stop that. Start carrying distilled water with you.

How do you warm it?

In my experience using saline nasal flushes, having the water at room temperature hasn't really bothered me, as long as I've added the salt.

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A lot of folks have no idea what 2-micron filter is, nor is it documented on their consumer-grade water filter that it is/isn't a 2-micron filter. Likewise, a lot of people don't know how to boil water in a way that will kill parasites. They should just say "distilled water", and leave it at that.

how do you boil water properly? minimum period of time?

yes.

Get it a rolling boil, and hold it for at least a minute. Longer at higher altitude.

Re: Rare brain-eating amoebas killed woman who rinsed her sinuses with tap water

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I'm a little confused. Was the tap-water untreated (that is, well water)? Can these damn things survive chlorination? They're a known danger swimming in southern (US)- meaning warm- fresh-water lakes and ponds. But- damn, this is scary. Probably because I also use a neti-pot. Neti-pots are often used to help alleviate the symptoms of sinusitis. My neti-pot came with packets of salts that you dissolve in the water, wh…

Yes, it was well water. According to the article:

> Amoebas may be found in fresh-water sources around Puget Sound such as wells, but aren’t present in city-treated water, according to Liz Coleman, a spokeswoman for the Environmental Public Health division of the state’s Department of Health.

Re: Rare brain-eating amoebas killed woman who rinsed her sinuses with tap water

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I had surgery on my sinuses and and have to do this as well. The product I use (Neilmed sinus rinse) has warnings ALL OVER the box, bottle, and in the instruction pamphlet to only use previously boiled water, distilled water, freshly opened bottled water, or water that has somehow otherwise been filtered. It specifically says NOT to use tap water. They also have a website (that has recently been updated to mention th…

I don't think this is 'darwinism at work.' Where engineered controls are inadequate or impractical, it is incumbent on manufacturers to provide sufficient training and placard reminders to prevent users' injury or death. The bottle I have has no warning of what kind of water to use, and the sachets of salt do say what kind of water but it is in small font and they don't caution the user NOT to use tap water. In my case the instructions were lost long ago, so I can't say anything about them.

In my opinion it is far from obvious to a casual user that the use of otherwise safe-to-consume tap water is in this case a potential life hazard. Warnings of such import should be LARGE and in your face, akin to the black box warnings that are the very first things you read on drugs which have a small likelihood but significant risk.

In the example you provided, a single sentence in the middle of the paragraph tells the user not to use tap water, but doesn't bother to mention the risk. They repeat a similar warning without mentioning the risk. I don't know what is the standard for negligence but this certainly seems to me that they aren't providing enough information for a user to be informed.

Finally, your math confuses me. Perhaps your vessel is smaller than mine; mine holds 8 oz. so if used twice a day a gallon will last 8 days, if I don't overfill or spill. Not multiple weeks. Sorry, I can't help myself from the nitpick.

But seriously, the point is not about the cost, it's about Neilmed's failure to provide users with adequate information about the potential risks of failing to follow their simple directions correctly. I think they have not done their job.

Re: Rare brain-eating amoebas killed woman who rinsed her sinuses with tap water

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I wash my nose in such a way frequently because I have an extreme sensitivity to airborne chemicals and fragrances. It’s so uncomfortable to be doused with air freshener, diesel exhaust, cleaner fumes, laundry fragrance, plastic odor or perfume that I rinse my nose out with whatever water is available, which includes taps and drinking fountains. I’ve worried about such an illness happening to me, evidently with good…

You can safely use bottled water, that would probably be a easy alternative :)

I usually do, but I don’t have a bottle at all times.

Re: Rare brain-eating amoebas killed woman who rinsed her sinuses with tap water

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I wash my nose in such a way frequently because I have an extreme sensitivity to airborne chemicals and fragrances. It’s so uncomfortable to be doused with air freshener, diesel exhaust, cleaner fumes, laundry fragrance, plastic odor or perfume that I rinse my nose out with whatever water is available, which includes taps and drinking fountains. I’ve worried about such an illness happening to me, evidently with good…

Yea, you need to stop that. Start carrying distilled water with you.

I generally have RO water in my car, and use the cleanest water available wherever I am, but can’t carry a bottle at all times.
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