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Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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I'm about to set up a new PC for a relative with Win 10 Home, parts have just arrived. Any advice on set up procedures or things I can do to keep Microsoft from spying on them and collecting their data? Or is it just not possible any more? Surely I can install the OS without creating a MS account? My intention is to disable all the nags, bloat and advertising bullying, leaving only an essential OS that doesn't bully…

You can have an offline account which is not connected to a microsoft account in any way. They try to force you to connect a microsoft account. There are scripts that disable all telemetry - reddit.com/r/tronscript is a good resource. The issue is that we don't know when Microsoft turns it back on.

Okay thanks. The PC I'm assembling is for an 80yo guy who doesn't trust the internet, and would be horrified to learn how much Microsoft wants to track his usage.

I won't be telling him about that. He deletes emails and even text messages as soon as he's read them, for fear of them causing problems. The last thing he wants is Windows popping up some message, contextually trying to be smart and know what he's doing without him inviting that bot into his world.

Microsoft (and other giants) simply don't get it.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Yeah I stopped using Windows years ago. However my clients still get stuck buying 10 on new computers. I try to explain the downsides but mostly they resign themselves to it since they don't want to learn a new OS.

Best I can do is only setup local accounts for them, turn off OneDrive, and have them run O&O's shutup program periodically (like monthly) to help mitigate Microsoft's pervasive, invasive data collection:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Still not 100%, but a dripping faucet is better than the default firehose of telemetry tracking.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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You can have an offline account which is not connected to a microsoft account in any way. They try to force you to connect a microsoft account. There are scripts that disable all telemetry - reddit.com/r/tronscript is a good resource. The issue is that we don't know when Microsoft turns it back on.

Okay thanks. The PC I'm assembling is for an 80yo guy who doesn't trust the internet, and would be horrified to learn how much Microsoft wants to track his usage. I won't be telling him about that. He deletes emails and even text messages as soon as he's read them, for fear of them causing problems. The last thing he wants is Windows popping up some message, contextually trying to be smart and know what he's doing wi…

> The PC I'm assembling is for an 80yo guy who doesn't trust the internet

Why are you setting this guy up with Windows 10 then, instead of a system that actually respects the user and has decent security, like Debian GNU/Linux? (There is an enduring notion that Debian systems are hard to install or administer for the casual user, but one might argue that it is 5 years out of date - maybe even 10 years out of date.) Does he rely on some Windows-only hardware or software of some sort - and if so, could he run that on a dedicated, airgapped system?

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Its super annoying with YouTube. Even a full Shutdown/Restart, I open the machine and boom, Chrome opens and the speakers are blasting whatever I had playing on YouTube the day before. Shutdowns should be respected. What if I had something inappropriate open before doing the shutdown ?

Then you know that and quit Chrome first. I made similar mistakes by simply closing the lid and going to work, but it's always my fault and not the OS's. I won't restart my chrome now, but i'm pretty sure a YouTube tab will only keep playing if it's in focus.

Closing the lid is not a full restart, that's the point.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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So it's ok for small companies to leak personal data? Doctors' surgeries are small companies here in the UK. The issue here is that literally every company across the world doesn't give a crap past the end of their nose and has abysmal data protection policies in place because it affects the bottom line. They introduced local legislation to help this and a few large fish got fined and that was it. Ultimately it wasn'…

> So it's ok for small companies to leak personal data? The GDPR doesn't just require companies not to leak personal data, it's a huge complex regulatory framework designed to handle the megacorps it was passed to target and imposes unnecessarily high compliance costs, and those costs disproportionately affect smaller entities. In particular, it is possible to have perfectly sound data protection practices that would…

Rubbish.

I have done GDPR prep for my one man limited company. Took about a day. I don’t even use that company!

https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2017/11/...

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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post #19

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So it's ok for small companies to leak personal data? Doctors' surgeries are small companies here in the UK. The issue here is that literally every company across the world doesn't give a crap past the end of their nose and has abysmal data protection policies in place because it affects the bottom line. They introduced local legislation to help this and a few large fish got fined and that was it. Ultimately it wasn'…

> So it's ok for small companies to leak personal data? The GDPR doesn't just require companies not to leak personal data, it's a huge complex regulatory framework designed to handle the megacorps it was passed to target and imposes unnecessarily high compliance costs, and those costs disproportionately affect smaller entities. In particular, it is possible to have perfectly sound data protection practices that would…

Do you have any specific cases of how much the GDPR has cost to some small companies? My experience (I work in the EU) has been that the GDPR has not particularly difficult or expensive - and in particular it was easier than ISO9001, which we also implemented at a small company -, but I don't have any hard numbers.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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> So it's ok for small companies to leak personal data? The GDPR doesn't just require companies not to leak personal data, it's a huge complex regulatory framework designed to handle the megacorps it was passed to target and imposes unnecessarily high compliance costs, and those costs disproportionately affect smaller entities. In particular, it is possible to have perfectly sound data protection practices that would…

Do you have any specific cases of how much the GDPR has cost to some small companies? My experience (I work in the EU) has been that the GDPR has not particularly difficult or expensive - and in particular it was easier than ISO9001, which we also implemented at a small company -, but I don't have any hard numbers.

> Do you have any specific cases of how much the GDPR has cost to some small companies?

I work at a medium sized company and know they had to retain a few lawyers at $500/hr to explain what changes had to be made to be GDPR compliant. The changes themselves were not too hard, but hiring the lawyer and knowing what changes to make were.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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post #135

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> So it's ok for small companies to leak personal data? The GDPR doesn't just require companies not to leak personal data, it's a huge complex regulatory framework designed to handle the megacorps it was passed to target and imposes unnecessarily high compliance costs, and those costs disproportionately affect smaller entities. In particular, it is possible to have perfectly sound data protection practices that would…

Rubbish. I have done GDPR prep for my one man limited company. Took about a day. I don’t even use that company! https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2017/11/...

> I have done GDPR prep for my one man limited company. Took about a day. I don’t even use that company!

How sure are you that you're really compliant? You did it yourself, do you know all the rules? Have you seen how they have been enforced and where the trends are going? Doing a half-baked review isn't good enough for most.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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> reopens all the applications I had running, and sometimes even has them all in the same positions I left them in That's a really great feature. I'd love to see even better window management in 10.

Its super annoying with YouTube. Even a full Shutdown/Restart, I open the machine and boom, Chrome opens and the speakers are blasting whatever I had playing on YouTube the day before. Shutdowns should be respected. What if I had something inappropriate open before doing the shutdown ?

I actually had it happen on me.. visited certain websites, pressed "Restart" in Windows and left the room, computer came back on with Chrome displaying my last session in its full glory. Thankfully no one else was home.

Apparently Microsoft is doubling down on "we will make things CONVENIENT and you WILL like it!".

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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post #135

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Rubbish. I have done GDPR prep for my one man limited company. Took about a day. I don’t even use that company! https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2017/11/...

> I have done GDPR prep for my one man limited company. Took about a day. I don’t even use that company! How sure are you that you're really compliant? You did it yourself, do you know all the rules? Have you seen how they have been enforced and where the trends are going? Doing a half-baked review isn't good enough for most.

Firstly training. Went on a lot of that. Secondly there are plenty of self-test resources out there.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/resources-and-support/d...

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