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Re: Robinhood launches 3% checking account

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For folks trying to understand this, some context which may be useful: Checking accounts are loss leaders virtually everywhere, the exception being smaller community banks. Their primary revenue stream was, once upon a time, net interest income, but these days due to the extremely low interest environment and alternate sources of funding the revenue stream is more weighted towards fees (primarily NSFs, although that…

Metacomment: geeks who believe they have outmathed a financial firm should ask themselves "Are financial firms likely to be bad at math?" and "Are financial firms incapable of hiring their own geeks?" Ah yes, because as 2000, 2008, and 2019 have shown us, financial firms are infallible when it comes to maths and economics.

2019?

Re: Robinhood launches 3% checking account

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Robinhood definitely had down time yesterday, but I'd like to make a note that /r/Robinhood overreacts to things like crazy. I'm pretty sure 95% of the people in there are under 20 and daytrading options with less than $5000. I'm bringing this up because, while some people did lose money yesterday because of Robinhood's downtime, there we also a lot of people claiming to have lost money, but were blatantly lying. I'm…

>down time Look at the comments I linked to. That's not downtime. People's transaction history is being rolled back. Some people still have fake positions showing. Another had all his positions sold. Another got bonus buying power. The inconsistencies in the comments are striking. Looks like a complete lotto of what happened to people's accounts. That inspires zero in their back end processes. >makes it sound like RH…

I got lucky and they just canceled a sale I had pending. It wasn't in danger of selling anyway, so no harm to me. If I were playing options every day I'd probably switch to TW or IB, because if you're playing that game you kinda need more stability than RH can provide.

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In America, I don't think contactless matters that much currently. It's really a crap shoot if any specific retailer supports contactless, no major metro system that I know of support direct debit / credit contactless cards and no major bank or credit card company issues contactless cards. If you want to use contactless in america, you add the card to apple / google / samsung pay and use your phone for NFC payments.…

Cashier was shocked when I used my contactless card in middle of SF. She nearly screamed "WHAT DID YOU JUST DO???". Meanwhile even in smallest villages of Europe no one bats an eye anymore. America is bizarre!

And in Berlin the cashier eyed me suspiciously when I tried to use Google Pay. He was totally expecting the payment to not go through

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That's /r/wallstreetbets :)

They both do. The only difference is that WSB accepts losing money while /r/robinhood loses money and then claims it's Robinhood stole their money.

Yeah, WSB is far more grown up about being childish. They know they're playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes, they are willingly doing it for the thrills. A lot of the folks on r/robinhood are genuinely naive and need to keep their hands away from the options toggle.

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I just spent 3 months in London, and it's crazy how Monzo seems to have taken the market. Almost everybody seems to be paying with a Monzo card, regardless of age. Asking around, I consistently heard that Monzo's competitors like Revolut are going to be a future case study in scaling before great product/market fit. I don't know how many people have Revolut accounts, but nobody seems to be using their cards in public…

I have everything in Fidelity which seems like it has the same benefits as Schwab, but also with the trading availability and zero fee index accounts (not sure if Schwab has this too). I had simple for a while and the UI was great, app is best of the ones I've seen but they never had anything else (they recently created a savings account) and no checks got annoying to deal with. My Bank of the future would have these…

They have quite a few zero fee index funds.

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Wouldn't you need 25k in your account to day trade options without being caught up as a RH pattern day trader?

Almost always. IIRC there are some trivially small exceptions – you can make I believe 3 trades a day before being classified as PDT – and I believe entry and exit of a single position count as two separate trades. But there are a lot of everyday people rigorously swing trading with smallish accounts. I've had some really interesting chats with uber drivers who do this, since they're sitting around in front of a phon…

Actually, it's three trades in a 5 day period AFAIK. Less than one a day or you will be marked as PDT. Also worth knowing is if you are selling multiple shares or contracts then it might get filled in separate orders, which will count as separate trades. People get burned all the time thinking they're safe from PDT.

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Wouldn't you need 25k in your account to day trade options without being caught up as a RH pattern day trader?

You are correct, I was exaggerating a bit. I feel like most of that sub isn't technically day trading, but it feels like the average time holding a security is less than a week.

Mostly not actual day trading because relatively few have over 25K in their account. But there are a lot of people buying & selling weeklies.

Too stressful for me.

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The main difference is that if someone steals your debit card info and goes on a spending spree, that money is gone from your account until the fraud folks at your bank can deal with it. This may result in overdrafts from other automatic payments or not being able to pay for things you need, until the money is restored to your account.

I used a debit card to pay for dinner. Merchant accidentally charged me 15 times. Noticed the next day - called bank. '7-10 business days to resolve', or I could go get the merchant to refund it (which I did immediately). That money came directly out of my checking account, and was 'gone', functionally until I got them to credit it back. Same thing happens on my credit card: the credit card company floats the missing…

Similar experience here. Now I exclusively use credit cards for all purchases, my debit card is only for pulling cash out of a machine or sometimes grocery purchases where I am going to get cash back. Better to have the banks money on the line than mine.

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The stock market is a zero sum game. If HFTs are making money then someone else's is losing it. The other traders who's trades are closest are the most likely losers. HFTs will tell you what a great liquidity service they provide but they are doing nothing more than using the equivalent of insider information to skim the cream off the top.

Here is my understanding. Let a Normally the investor would get the stock since they placed their order first. But since the HFT firm is paying for the order they get it instead. If things go well the HFT firm can sell to the investor at x+b, if things go poorly they cut their losses and sell at x. The investor that didn't get the order and has to buy it from the HFT firm at x+b is the loser. The money that funds thi…

I can't speak to the accuracy of your claim, but Matt Levine recently wrote about another factor, payment for order flow [0]:

>They want to buy stock for $99.99 and sell it at $100.01 and clip two cents on each trade. If their orders are random—if sometimes people buy and sometimes they sell, with no pattern—then that works out well for the market makers. But their big risk is what they call “adverse selection”: Sometimes, when a customer buys 100 shares at $100.01, it then buys another 100 shares at $100.02, and another 100 shares at $100.03, and keeps going until it has bought 10,000 shares and pushed the price up dramatically. The market maker who sold it the first 100 shares—and who is probably now short and needs to go out and buy those shares at a higher price—has been run over.

>[...] [I]f a market maker can guarantee that it will only interact with retail customers—if it can filter out big orders from institutional investors—then its risk of adverse selection goes way down. The way the market maker does this is by paying retail brokers to send it their order flow, and promising those brokers that it will execute their orders better* than the public markets would. [...] It can offer a tighter spread than the public markets—and have money left over to pay the retail brokers—because it doesn’t have to worry about adverse selection. If the retail broker is, say, one designed to let young people day-trade for free on their phones, then those orders are probably particularly valuable, because they are probably particularly random.*

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-10-16/carl-i...

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post #533

For folks trying to understand this, some context which may be useful: Checking accounts are loss leaders virtually everywhere, the exception being smaller community banks. Their primary revenue stream was, once upon a time, net interest income, but these days due to the extremely low interest environment and alternate sources of funding the revenue stream is more weighted towards fees (primarily NSFs, although that…

> Metacomment: geeks who believe they have outmathed a financial firm should ask themselves "Are financial firms likely to be bad at math?" and "Are financial firms incapable of hiring their own geeks?" reminds me of the first time i interviewed at google, and one of the interviewers asked "if you could set up your own project and get a team to work on it, what would you do?". i answered that i would get a bunch of m…

It’s this kind of sharing that makes HN so valuable.

I never would have thought about the shady side had you not told this story. Makes me start to wonder what else I’m missing...

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