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Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

LA is okay. Probably is between 3rd-10th position of tech hubs. If you really like the culture, weather, nightlife, or have ties to the city, then you'll do fine staying. You could probably start a decent company. USC, UCLA, and CalTech have fine CS depts. The entertainment and aerospace industries are strong here. That's why MySpace (originally social for musicians) and SpaceX (a new space-vehicle startup) work well…

USC and UCLA have fine CS depts. What about Caltech?

Added CalTech now. It's much smaller than USC or UCLA. And I know several programmers from USC and UCLA but not CalTech. So that's why I didn't think of it at first.

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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My city doesn't suck (Houghton, Michigan). Granted it isn't startup world... But we do have a good University that brings in the nerds.

And it's awesome because it isn't too big (only around 7,000), and it's been listed as one of the 100 best small towns in America. It's for hackers like me that don't like lots of people and like to be outdoors a lot (and don't mind 250 inches of snow a year!).

The city has many beautiful remnants of the copper boom and it is well kept up. Homeless aren't a problem because you just can't survive the winter without a home.

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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what about vancouver (canada)?

Size: Vancouver is a "big" city (or at least tries to be), but it's still pretty small. Small in a good way though, the population is ~2m in the metro area but the city itself is ~600k. The downtown core is completely walkable. It's always more of a hassle to hop on the train for 2 stops than to just walk. Clean, can't recall ever seeing poop (human or animal) on the sidewalk.

Rent: for downtown living in the more expensive parts, you're probably looking at $1600-2500 cdn for a 2bdrm. Don't mind commuting 10-15 minutes on the train/by bus: $1000-1600 for a decent place. You can get a studio or 1 bdrm in the west end (downtown) for $800-1200, add a few hundred more if you're looking at coal harbour/yaletown.

Outdoors: Parks, everywhere - a couple large ones and tons of small ones (a couple soccer fields, running track, etc). You've got more ocean than you could ever ask for and a couple local mountains (~20-25 mins from downtown by driving, or take transit + gondola up grouse which will probably be an hour or so). And you're 1 hour from Whistler. Lakes and camping within an hour of the city. There's also Stanley Park right downtown. One of the biggest advantages seems to be that you can get outdoors and feel 'out of the city' within the city limits.

Entertainment: Hockey (NHL/WHL) and Canadian football. Same amount of large bands coming through here as any major US city, good small venues as well for some local bands and smaller acts.

Transit: The city has pretty decent transit and it's cheap. $2.50 for a transfer (last 1.5hrs) or ~$80 for a 1 month, unlimited 1 zone pass. There are 3 SkyTrain lines which will get you downtown pretty quickly from anywhere within Vancouver (15-18 mins max). Transit is pretty bus-oriented, but it's never really been a problem for me. Getting out of downtown might be a problem if you like to hang out past 2am and/or live in the sticks. Not much open 24 hours or really late other than a couple coffee shops and a handful of restaurants.

Biking: I don't bike but the city seems fairly bike friendly (and getting better), I believe we have 3 routes now with separated bike lanes downtown. You can bike safely from anywhere within Vancouver. My neighbour bikes to work every day from East Van which probably takes him 25-30 mins each way.

Tech Scene: It's alright, but we're working on it. I put together a startup hackathon last month and met a bunch of fellow Vancouver HN users. There are a couple startup incubators here and more coming (I believe), Bootup Labs seems to be the most well known. There are angels, VCs and the like here - but nowhere near the level of SF, NYC, Seattle.

Talent: 2 main schools with CS programs nearby (SFU and UBC), but talent seems hard to find - it's here, you just need to look. If you do find it, it can be fairly cheap though. Much much lower than the valley (from what friends have told me), there are no Facebook-like companies driving up salaries here. I'm probably going to get shanked at the next hacker meet up, but you can probably get decent people for $35k/yr (junior) to $70k/yr (senior/leads).

A big problem seems to be that you can count 'notable' startups on one hand. There are gaming companies here, both mobile/console and gambling. It's much more relaxed here and people just want to live life well. There are hardcore entrepreneurs and hackers here, but also a lot of wantrepreneurs and people who want to come in at 10, take an hour lunch and leave by 5. Very little of that 'startup culture' you hear so much about in San Francisco.

My opinion, but other Vancouverites feel free to criticize or add to this.

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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Whenever someone talks about how dirty SF is, you know they confined themselves to SOMA, TL, the Mission and maybe North Beach. The rest of the city is about as clean as any big city in the US. There's nothing particularly dirty about the Sunset, Richmond, Pac Heights, Cole Valley, Parnassus, Diamond Heights, West Portal, Forrest Hill, Russian Hill, Glen Park, or the other neighborhoods that make up most of San Franc…

People who think that San Francisco weather is terrible are typically from places like Los Angeles (where I'm from) or other places that equate excruciating heat with nice weather. I actually like the cold and rain, and it only lasts for a few months. Put on a dang sweater and man up.

It's worth noting here that it was 80 degrees in San Francisco today. In November.

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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No talk of Boston and just a mention of New York? It does not make much sense to compair technology/startup cities and totally leave out the East Coast.

Cambridge, Mass is definitely a nerd mecca. There's a lot of technology and startup action over here. And it's a wonderful city to live in (very walkable, nice architecture, low crime, clean, diverse).

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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SF streets are pretty disgusting. It's true that there's fecal matter everywhere you find homeless people, which is nearly everywhere in SF. It is not at all uncommon to find a big brownie right in the middle of the sidewalk. The streets and sidewalks in my tiny, obscure East coast village, OTOH, are as clean as they are in Singapore. I don't quite understand why SF doesn't do something about this, as it's a health h…

They don't want their taxes raised to pay for the clean up :)

Quite untrue. In fact in yesterday's election the citizens of San Francisco voted themselves several new taxes including a $10/vehicle registration fee to pay for street upkeep.

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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post #23

Whenever someone talks about how dirty SF is, you know they confined themselves to SOMA, TL, the Mission and maybe North Beach. The rest of the city is about as clean as any big city in the US. There's nothing particularly dirty about the Sunset, Richmond, Pac Heights, Cole Valley, Parnassus, Diamond Heights, West Portal, Forrest Hill, Russian Hill, Glen Park, or the other neighborhoods that make up most of San Franc…

People who think that San Francisco weather is terrible are typically from places like Los Angeles (where I'm from) or other places that equate excruciating heat with nice weather. I actually like the cold and rain, and it only lasts for a few months. Put on a dang sweater and man up. It's worth noting here that it was 80 degrees in San Francisco today. In November.

I'm from Minnesota, and I didn't think the weather in SF was terrible, but I definitely thought it was weird that in SF it would be 80 degrees one day in November and 50 degrees and foggy all summer.

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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I agree and disagree with him on Boulder (where I live now). I've visited SF and the valley many times, and moved to Boulder from the midwest 4 years ago. A couple of his cons are way out of left field though: The weather: Its never been 10 below in the 4 years I've been here, and only been below zero or single digits at night. Only about one or two days in each of the winter months is it cold, and there's as many wi…

I'll second this. I moved to Denver (which is certainly a "real" city) almost 4 years ago. We get a few snow storms a year, and otherwise it's pretty damn nice. January and February can be tough... but that's just cause we're spoiled. Hell it was 65 degrees today and is supposed to be up into the mid 70's this weekend. That's not normal, but it's not exactly abnormal either.

I actually agree with a lot that he has to say about Boulder, it's why I live in Denver. It's really a great secret. I can live in a house that's 1000 ft2 (with a yard and everything) within 2 miles of Downtown (11 minute bus ride) for sub-$300k. Try doing that in Seattle or SF:)

Re: Joe Stump: Your city sucks (And so does mine)

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Meanwhile, here in Minneapolis (really could apply to any upper Midwest city like Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison, etc.): Pros: - If you like seasons, you get them. - Excellent beer. Many bars. Great nitelife. - Clean. No poop on the streets, even in the worse parts of the city. - Great public transportation (except Milwaukee). - Cheap rent (2BR for $1500 along the river with a view of the skyline) - Many excellent CS de…

Just to stress Minneapolis has killer public transit.

Other commenters have mentioned the brutally cold winters (seriously spit goes clink), but they fail to mention that the summers suck too. Humid and over a hundred. Don't bother fighting, the mosquitos will win. Land of 10,000 standing pools of water! I'd rather spend a summer in Phoenix.

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