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Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by jamesb93 »

blhack wrote: post #74

Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…

Let me make it really simple for you. Because its cheap and people are greedy.

Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by sneak »

blhack wrote: post #87
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We fund them because it helps the people in charge get rich off the backs of cheap Chinese labor. We (the U.S) tolerate their disrespect for human rights because we also do not respect human rights, as demonstrated by our relationship with Saudi Arabia, our many horrible wars, etc. We also do not respect national sovereignty, as demonstrated by our covert wars in South America, our firebombing of Vietnam, Laos, and C…

>We (the U.S) tolerate their disrespect for human rights because we also do not respect human rights I'm sorry but this statement is just absolutely and completely ridiculous. I don't know if you've either never been to The United States, or you've never left The United States, but the difference between the respect that we have for human rights, and the respect that much of the rest of the world has, is stark.

How many other nations run a global network of unacknowledged torture prisons?

How many of those other nations have broken into their national legislatures to cover it up?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/11/senator_feinstein_o...

The United States pays a lot of lip service to human rights, while wholesale ignoring them when convenient. Did we forget about Manning’s torture, Assange’s fake arrest warrant, Snowden’s exile, al-Awlaki‘s summary execution without trial, or the longest period of continuous war in the nation’s history?

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Post by onetimemanytime »

ir193 wrote: post #102
alehul wrote: post #34

When I was younger, maybe five years ago or so, I was living in Boston and I'd consistently see a pack of Chinese protestors outside the public library at Copley (very popular area) holding up signs, looking to gain attention for this very issue. They spoke to me as best as they could, handed me a pamphlet with hard-to-parse English but nonetheless gruesome descriptions, and asked for my signature along with any othe…

I can guarantee you many Chinese protestors you can see in US are protesting for political asylum. For them, protesting for is only a way to green card. Almost every Chinese Uber driver I met in SF are under political asylum

>>Almost every Chinese Uber driver I met in SF are under political asylum

USA hands asylum like candy (overworked courts?) but honestly, if 5% of what we read is true, the Chinese deserve it.

Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by XCabbage »

Spidler wrote: post #136
prepend wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the scale of human rights, having your rights restricted in planning children (ie, restricting abortion) and having your organs removed are very far apart.

Having a policy of actively kidnapping children from immigrants and then selling them in auctions while dumping the parents on a different continent? Having a long established policy of sterilizing minorities? Or wait, was that Canada? Nothing that US would ever have as a policy, of course not.

> Having a policy of actively kidnapping children from immigrants and then selling them in auctions while dumping the parents on a different continent?

I'll bite, although I have a feeling I'm about to be screamed at for being an ignorant bigot for lacking this specific piece of knowledge: what on earth this comment referring to? The claim is that the present-day US is selling children in auctions who were taken from their parents by force? What?

Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by chrisco255 »

blhack wrote: post #87
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We fund them because it helps the people in charge get rich off the backs of cheap Chinese labor. We (the U.S) tolerate their disrespect for human rights because we also do not respect human rights, as demonstrated by our relationship with Saudi Arabia, our many horrible wars, etc. We also do not respect national sovereignty, as demonstrated by our covert wars in South America, our firebombing of Vietnam, Laos, and C…

>We (the U.S) tolerate their disrespect for human rights because we also do not respect human rights I'm sorry but this statement is just absolutely and completely ridiculous. I don't know if you've either never been to The United States, or you've never left The United States, but the difference between the respect that we have for human rights, and the respect that much of the rest of the world has, is stark.

Only the West has such capacity for self-loathing.

Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by prepend »

Spidler wrote: post #136
prepend wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the scale of human rights, having your rights restricted in planning children (ie, restricting abortion) and having your organs removed are very far apart.

Having a policy of actively kidnapping children from immigrants and then selling them in auctions while dumping the parents on a different continent? Having a long established policy of sterilizing minorities? Or wait, was that Canada? Nothing that US would ever have as a policy, of course not.

First, I think the US sterilized munorities was over 50 years ago [0]. Quite horrible, but not recent like the alleged harvesting. But even so, being sterilized is substantially better than being murdered for your organs.

The US has some sordid history, but not organ harvesting last week sordid.

The immigration separations are timely, but have some due process with an intention reuniting families (ie, the design is not to separate families more than necessary) and also better than being murdered.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization

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Post by shorty_ »

blhack wrote: post #74

Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…

This should indeed not be supported. But US isn't better at all... Bomb all countries back to the stoneage and as it is proved, US always used a lie as a reason (to start a war against an enemy that can't really defend against US). 90%+ victims are civilians.

ppl should always first think "am i (or in this case... is my government) even better?"

Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by ajross »

shorty_ wrote: post #147
blhack wrote: post #74

Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…

This should indeed not be supported. But US isn't better at all... Bomb all countries back to the stoneage and as it is proved, US always used a lie as a reason (to start a war against an enemy that can't really defend against US). 90%+ victims are civilians. ppl should always first think "am i (or in this case... is my government) even better?"

No, that's rank whataboutism, and all it does is serve to cut off discussion about important issues, even the ones you personally care about.

It's possible to oppose organ harvesting in China and actions by the US. But you have to do them independently (i.e. not whining about the US in a post about China) and specifically (i.e. "organ harvesting, here's the cite" vs. your rather generic complaint above).

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Post by [deleted] »

shorty_ wrote: post #147
blhack wrote: post #74

Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…

This should indeed not be supported. But US isn't better at all... Bomb all countries back to the stoneage and as it is proved, US always used a lie as a reason (to start a war against an enemy that can't really defend against US). 90%+ victims are civilians. ppl should always first think "am i (or in this case... is my government) even better?"

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Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by shorty_ »

ajross wrote: post #148
shorty_ wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should indeed not be supported. But US isn't better at all... Bomb all countries back to the stoneage and as it is proved, US always used a lie as a reason (to start a war against an enemy that can't really defend against US). 90%+ victims are civilians. ppl should always first think "am i (or in this case... is my government) even better?"

No, that's rank whataboutism, and all it does is serve to cut off discussion about important issues, even the ones you personally care about. It's possible to oppose organ harvesting in China and actions by the US. But you have to do them independently (i.e. not whining about the US in a post about China) and specifically (i.e. "organ harvesting, here's the cite" vs. your rather generic complaint above).

i just wrote it related to the post by blhack. otherwise your statement would be correct
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