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Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by jstimpfle »

shawnz wrote: post #87
Derek_MK wrote: post #84

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The solution shouldn't be "make all the apps work around Microsoft being anti-consumer". It should be "Make Microsoft stop being anti-consumer".

It's a standard expectation on mobile that all apps should work that way, and consumers seem to like that pattern better. So is it really anti-consumer to try and push app developers in that direction?

Dude, this is not mobile. I'm using my Desktop PC for real work. Desktop applications are more complex and have more complex interaction patterns than mobile apps. I might be able to restore my session manually (lose an undo buffer here or a private browsing session there) but its still an annoyance.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by amatecha »

tor_user wrote: post #72
setquk wrote: post #44

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I just did this. My options were: 1. Buy a new Lenovo laptop. 2. Buy a new Apple laptop. I went for 2 and paid for Little Snitch and it is literally dead and works flawlessly. Once my family’s windows 10 laptops are off (even if they’re doing nothing but charging them with lid open), my home network is silent.

quiet except for a few microsoft addresses when you run a spotlight command searching your own apple brand hard disk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)#Privacy_c...

Since they have Little Snitch, that network request will never go out.

Didn't know about this though -- thanks. Guess I should be getting a copy of Little Snitch myself, heh

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by setquk »

amatecha wrote: post #92
tor_user wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

quiet except for a few microsoft addresses when you run a spotlight command searching your own apple brand hard disk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)#Privacy_c...

Since they have Little Snitch, that network request will never go out. Didn't know about this though -- thanks. Guess I should be getting a copy of Little Snitch myself, heh

Also I disable spotlight - saves battery plus I know here I left all my shit :)

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by theclaw »

tor_user wrote: post #58
nickjj wrote: post #55

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Thanks for the links. You could also try installing O&O ShutUp10. I've been running it since I installed Windows 10. You can download it (it's a free app) at https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 . It nulls out a bunch of telemetry related addresses in your /etc/hosts file, and allows you to configure over a 100 different privacy settings from 1 place.

Microsoft have a long history of overriding and ignoring hosts configurations to their own addresses so I am skeptical on the utility of this. I think you might be a little too trusting. I do not have time to repeat the efforts outlined by government contractors in the above links with this add on applied, I doubt you do either. Better for me to avoid the OS altogether.

They do ignore the hosts file, it’s true - but they don’t ignore windows built-in firewall. I used it to blacklist a bunch of hosts when I had wireshark open to diagnose an unrelated problem and noticed all my keystrokes in the start menu search box were being sent to MS, as well as details about every application I launched. The search box keystrokes were going to onedrive - presumably to show me files matching from there, but I don’t see why they can’t download a list of files and locally search that. Sending every keystroke in that box is unnecessary.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by dragonwriter »

jstimpfle wrote: post #91
shawnz wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a standard expectation on mobile that all apps should work that way, and consumers seem to like that pattern better. So is it really anti-consumer to try and push app developers in that direction?

Dude, this is not mobile. I'm using my Desktop PC for real work. Desktop applications are more complex and have more complex interaction patterns than mobile apps. I might be able to restore my session manually (lose an undo buffer here or a private browsing session there) but its still an annoyance.

There's no reason desktop apps can't by default use near-continuous saved state and assure completely persisted state on shutdown request.

They usually don't, because of historical UI paradigms, but there is no reason they can't. It's universal on mobile because mobile rebuilt UI paradigms from the ground up, discarding desktop legacy nonsense in the process.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by totony »

gknoy wrote: post #67
saltyshake wrote: post #62

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Its super annoying with YouTube. Even a full Shutdown/Restart, I open the machine and boom, Chrome opens and the speakers are blasting whatever I had playing on YouTube the day before. Shutdowns should be respected. What if I had something inappropriate open before doing the shutdown ?

Incognito mode should prevent one aspect of that - Chrome won't remember what it had open as soon as the tab is closed (useful for bank account info, etc).

Except this is Windows re-opening the apps (probably from hibernated RAM), so incognito would likely not work

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by jstimpfle »

dragonwriter wrote: post #95
jstimpfle wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, this is not mobile. I'm using my Desktop PC for real work. Desktop applications are more complex and have more complex interaction patterns than mobile apps. I might be able to restore my session manually (lose an undo buffer here or a private browsing session there) but its still an annoyance.

There's no reason desktop apps can't by default use near-continuous saved state and assure completely persisted state on shutdown request. They usually don't, because of historical UI paradigms, but there is no reason they can't. It's universal on mobile because mobile rebuilt UI paradigms from the ground up, discarding desktop legacy nonsense in the process.

Mobile apps don't restore very well either, but it doesn't matter so much. There is usually not much to restore because they have less state.

Let's say I have a private browsing session. Or a password manager session where I've been manipulating an unlocked database. I might have manually mounted a file system over the network and might have a bunch of programs running, editing the files over there.

You cannot restore these things automatically after a shutdown. It's annoying each time, and sometimes you are simply going to lose data.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by handzbagz »

tvanantwerp wrote: post #40
nickjj wrote: post #38

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Those are shady steps taken by MS but I don't experience them with Windows 10 Pro. Maybe it's only isolated to Windows 10 Home? I still double check all of my privacy settings after a major content patch, but so far so good. I keep nearly everything disabled too (basic diagnostics, limited access to my webcam / microphone, Cortana is disabled, no timeline, etc.).

I deploy Windows 10 Enterprise and I routinely see the goofiest of settings set back to defaults.

Enterprise LTSC is what you want, no store, edge and other junk and only security updates.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by Forge36 »

sls wrote: post #70
linuxftw wrote: post #46

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Agile software development practices. Nobody created a user story for 'respect user's settings during upgrades'. If I had to guess, the settings were renamed/refactored and default values were enabled by default. Or perhaps the 'system upgrade service' doesn't talk to the 'system user setting services' and has no way to discover those settings. There's so many innovative ways to write terrible software, Microsoft is…

.

Let's phrase it differently: agile causes two teams to desync.

If for whatever reason to teams become siloed and are agile: if their sprints don't line up, then requirement thrashing causes agile hell. A needs Y B is working on X

Given timelines: B must quickly switch to Y or A must implement it without support from B.

The biggest problem I have with software development is coordinating 100 TEAMs to operate on the same page (I own a library of interesting and old functionality at my company).

This happens on occasion, without someone to reign in affected parties: things rot faster from be features than can be managed

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