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"Robinhood" steals from its users to gives to its investors: "Robinhood Is Making Millions Selling Out Their Millennial Customers To High-Frequency Traders" [1] "Robinhood Investing App Secretly Makes Millions Selling Millennials' User Data To HFT Firms" [2] [1] https://seekingalpha.com/article/4205379-robinhood-making-mi... [2] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-15/robinhood-investin...

Robinhood is a small operation that’s skimming pennies off your transactions to fund its operation. The alternative is banks who are doing the sambut times a hundred and banks are making a ton of money off their customers even with 100 times as many employees as robinhood.

They are not bad guys’s. They are still making money(surprice!?), but they are much much more modest about it than traditional banks. This account is a fine example. They don’t need to give you a 3% deal, but they are doing it anyway because it’s benefitting both them and their costumers.

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I hope this gets challenged in court at some point. The rules went into effect on September 28, 2001 as a knee-jerk reaction to the dot bomb and 9/11: http://www.finra.org/investors/day-trading-margin-requiremen... The real story is that the plebes realized they could make 2% per day by day trading and selling short. I did this with my dad and we were up about $40k before 9/11 wiped out most people's gains (this was…

> The real story is that the plebes realized they could make 2% per day by day trading and selling short. Can you please elaborate? I'm curious. Why was the money so "easy"? Simply because there were so many amateur traders?

Intraday trading is much less risky than holding a position overnight. A lot of movement happens in the first and last 30 mins of trading, and over lunch. You can exit unproductive positions quickly, whereas if you couldn't day trade you'd only be able to sit and watch how the cards are falling.

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The SEC and FINRA (regulatory agencies) don't allow day trading for accounts with balances less than $25,000. If you exceed 3 (?) day trades in the past 5 days, your account is locked from day trading for 90 days (so if you buy a stock you will be unable to sell it that day). All exchanges enforce this rule, not just Robinhood.

I hope this gets challenged in court at some point. The rules went into effect on September 28, 2001 as a knee-jerk reaction to the dot bomb and 9/11: http://www.finra.org/investors/day-trading-margin-requiremen... The real story is that the plebes realized they could make 2% per day by day trading and selling short. I did this with my dad and we were up about $40k before 9/11 wiped out most people's gains (this was…

Day trading is not some magical way to profit. Most people who make money around day trading are selling day trading services. Few make money over the long term day trading, and even fewer (any?) are making 2% every single day (400% over the course of a year with ~200 trading days).

The rules were put in place to protect people from being lured into day trading by day trading service companies. The thought was to prevent people from spending their rent money thinking they were going to get rich day trading. Also, trading with small amounts of money pushes people into penny stocks, which is an even faster way for someone to lose all their money.

BTW, since the money is so easy you could always have traded futures which are exempt from PDT. https://www.tradingsetupsreview.com/futures-trading-best-opt...

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I think folks are overthinking this. The math itself doesn't matter. Have you seen recent Robinhood commercials popping up on TV? Their whole business is to encourage folks that should not be day trading to day trade. Having your money parked there just facilitates knee-jerk-reaction and follow-the-crowd trading.

From what I understand Robinhood ban people who day trade.

Everyone does if you have less than 25k in your account and do more than 4 day trades in a 7 day period

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This whole checking account / savings account, credit card/ debit card system that Americans have to deal with is so cumbersome and backwards. For Europeans that don't know: Most Americans have (at least) those two accounts, and those two cards. They usually spend from their checking account with their credit card, and save on the savings account. When they spend on their credit card, they sometimes "earn" points, de…

This is a flawed view of the American system.

Credit and Debit cards are different things. Debit cards are the European style 'put in a pin and money is debited directly from your bank checking account'. Credit cards are a revolving line of credit from a bank - you're spending against the LOC, and settle up on a monthly basis (to some extent - there's interest and pay-over-time involved in most as well).

The difference in accounts: banks offer substantially higher (although, basically still really low due to todays market) interest on money sitting in savings accounts, and restrict the use and availability of that money. Banks backed by the Federal reserve have to maintain a minimum ratio of deposited money to loans, and these restrictions/incentives are how they keep those in line and stay legal.

And for what it's worth, 99% of my spending is on a credit card, which I pay off monthly. I can't remember the last time I used cash or paper checks.

We also have many different ways to transfer money around, etc. using apps and things.

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This seems very likely. Robin Hood users seem to tend towards young and educated, so I imagine the transaction data would be a goldmine.

Is it? I'd expect anyone educated enough to actively trade with robinhood is not using a debit card for ordinary spending.

> I'd expect anyone educated enough to actively trade with robinhood

You don't have to be educated to actively trade, with RH or otherwise. You just need cash and confidence.

(Note, I'm not saying that is enough to be successful or make active trading worthwhile, but the customer pool isn't limited to people who should be actively trading.)

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This whole checking account / savings account, credit card/ debit card system that Americans have to deal with is so cumbersome and backwards. For Europeans that don't know: Most Americans have (at least) those two accounts, and those two cards. They usually spend from their checking account with their credit card, and save on the savings account. When they spend on their credit card, they sometimes "earn" points, de…

I'm not trying to defend the warts of the US banking system, but...

"Credit card" would be a third account that is purely debt-based. It's optional, and you can spend directly from your checking account with a "Debit card" instead. It's just not advisable, due to the broken-ass card system you described.

"Savings account" is optional, but earns interest. Does your single EU account earn reasonable interest? Long term deposit ("CD" and "Term Share") rates are currently around 3%, with savings paying 2%.

Combining checking and savings accounts can be done in the US in 2018. The 3 major online banks all allow you to setup an automatic "overdraft transfer", so you can deposit into your savings account, spend out of the checking, and have money automatically move between them. The remaining caveat is that you're limited to six of those movements from the savings per statement, which makes aggregating small transactions on a credit card handy.

I expect the caveat with this Robinhood offering will be a cap on the balance that earns 3%. You can find plenty of checking accounts with high nameplate interest (search for Kasasa), but they all demand some level of ongoing mindshare activity [0] and limit the amount they'll actually pay out, rather than functioning as true savings/moneymarket.

[0] Usually a certain number of debit card transactions per month, to better feed the surveillance databases.

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For those not aware of it: ton of people lost money yesterday because RH options trading system shat itself. I wouldn't trust them with my beer money https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/a5iwgh/robi...

Robinhood definitely had down time yesterday, but I'd like to make a note that /r/Robinhood overreacts to things like crazy. I'm pretty sure 95% of the people in there are under 20 and daytrading options with less than $5000. I'm bringing this up because, while some people did lose money yesterday because of Robinhood's downtime, there we also a lot of people claiming to have lost money, but were blatantly lying. I'm…

That's /r/wallstreetbets :)

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For those not aware of it: ton of people lost money yesterday because RH options trading system shat itself. I wouldn't trust them with my beer money https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/a5iwgh/robi...

This needs to be much higher up. They may be facing lawsuits if they don't fix this. Looks like people lost significant money.

wallstreetbets is basically roulette. It's not good that people lost money through the glitch but most of these people have incredibly high risk positions. Posts like this are common: https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/9rrug5/plea...

Re: Robinhood launches 3% checking account

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I think folks are overthinking this. The math itself doesn't matter. Have you seen recent Robinhood commercials popping up on TV? Their whole business is to encourage folks that should not be day trading to day trade. Having your money parked there just facilitates knee-jerk-reaction and follow-the-crowd trading.

Yeah. It's awful. They've been advertising on a pop culture podcast I listen to, with the host reading copy about how he buys stocks on Robin Hood. Seems irresponsible, especially for a podcast that isn't remotely related to finance.
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