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Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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Re: Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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The utter stupidity and short-sightedness of politicians is on display in both the US and Australia this week.

What happened in the US?

The hearing where Steve King asked iPhone questions to Google and asked why Trump shows up under "idiot" so often in image searches. When it is entirely automated.

Re: Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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It really bums me out, but I think I’m going to have to abandon Fastmail on principle. Hopefully this law will be repealed quickly before the damage to Australian software companies is too great.

Why victimize Fastmail? Law enforcement access to your email inbox remains exactly the same as before this bill was passed.

If you're just punishing any Australian company, FeelsBadMan (as an Australian developer).

Re: Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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post #14

It really bums me out, but I think I’m going to have to abandon Fastmail on principle. Hopefully this law will be repealed quickly before the damage to Australian software companies is too great.

Why victimize Fastmail? Law enforcement access to your email inbox remains exactly the same as before this bill was passed. If you're just punishing any Australian company, FeelsBadMan (as an Australian developer).

Well, maybe because this person is doing just that, at it's scale. In the end australians are responsible for the laws they get voted so... that's probably, from an outsider's perspective the only guarantee of taking a "probably not crappy decision" imo...

Re: Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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It really bums me out, but I think I’m going to have to abandon Fastmail on principle. Hopefully this law will be repealed quickly before the damage to Australian software companies is too great.

Unless you and everyone you associate with were encrypting every single email passing through FastMail servers; this change doesn't mean a thing.

I know for a fact of a few companies (non gov orgs) that scrape netflow and other data straight from peering points at ISP locations.

I use Fastmail, and I'm not happy about this recent bill. But I don't believe it matters at all from what is current done/enabled.

Re: Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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It really bums me out, but I think I’m going to have to abandon Fastmail on principle. Hopefully this law will be repealed quickly before the damage to Australian software companies is too great.

I reached out to Fastmail support, who referred me to this post they wrote: https://fastmail.blog/2018/09/10/access-and-assistance-bill/

Re: Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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post #14

It really bums me out, but I think I’m going to have to abandon Fastmail on principle. Hopefully this law will be repealed quickly before the damage to Australian software companies is too great.

Why victimize Fastmail? Law enforcement access to your email inbox remains exactly the same as before this bill was passed. If you're just punishing any Australian company, FeelsBadMan (as an Australian developer).

Services are complicated, and I expect that encryption is used for a variety of purposes throughout. If a company is based in a jurisdiction that weakens the ability of service providers to use encryption for a wide variety of purposes, I’d rather avoid services based in that jurisdiction than develop a nuanced understanding of a service’s architecture and the interaction with the local laws that govern it.

In the end, I think I’ll probably look to some EU-based provider, largely because they seem to have the most reasonable set of laws with respect to human rights and privacy.

Sorry you feel like this is me victimizing Australian software devs. Honestly, I love Fastmail. But your country now has laws that preclude the service from moving toward a better encryption posture. If I ever want better, or don’t want to suss out how things got worse, I gotta abandon Australia. No hard feelings.

As others have pointed out, there’s at least two parties with unencrypted access to any given email I send or receive. And unless I’m PGP or SMIME encrypting everything, te security posture of email isn’t great to start. But I like to support services that make surveillance marginally more costly and marginally more resilient to volume back-door compromises. Australia’s taken a step back here and legally weakens Fastmail’s ability to improve here.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Re: Australia's tech industry savages Labor for backing bill

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happened in the US?

The hearing where Steve King asked iPhone questions to Google and asked why Trump shows up under "idiot" so often in image searches. When it is entirely automated.

Can we at least have a more intelligent conversation about how google designs its algorithms than "It's entirely automated".

Everyone here knows that google didn't just plug a bunch of servers together and it just magically came up with a search engine.

The idea that google has completely washed its hands of any untoward tweaking of search results to favour one party or another is just ignoring the reality of the claims being targeted at google.

It didn't help either that when questioned about things like the plan to "improve hispanic voter outreach in key states" that google just pretends like it never happened.

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