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Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by dagw »

invertedohm wrote: post #66
benj111 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The war ship first carries out a last minute kidney robbery" Google is failing me. Is this a Norwegian saying, or a mistranslation?

The original is "Krigsskipet gjør først en unnamanøver i siste liten". Now, I don't speak Norwegian but I'm guessing the word "unnamanøver" is pretty versatile considering the translations you get when making minor changes. Krigsskipet = war ship (german-ish) gjør = verb to do først = first unnamanøver = evasive action (in other context apparently "nightmare" or "kidney robbery"?) i siste liten = at the last minute I…

I'm guessing the word "unnamanøver" is pretty versatile considering the translations you get when making minor changes.

That is pretty bizzare. I cannot think of any context or situation where "unnamanøver" could possibly mean anything other than evasive maneuver, nor do the Norwegian words for either kidney or nightmare look or sound anything even vaguely close to "unnamanøver"

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by tom_mellior »

timonoko wrote: post #55
timonoko wrote: post #48

One solution might be allowing false identities in Marine Traffic aka AIS for navy and coast guard ships. They could claim to be civilian ships of same size. Especially while kayaking in Norway the AIS is essential, as bigger ships do not have any methods to detect kayaks except visual.

They could use ID's of decommissioned ships. Or ID's of ships with only seasonal use. The problem is that smugglers and spies soon learn those false ID's if they are not changed frequently.

Or they could just frickin' identify themselves, in peacetime, in their own waters.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by jabl »

nradov wrote: post #16

Shipbuilders are designing shaftless propulsion systems for future warships which would put electric motors and propellors in pods under the hull. That would improve hull integrity and reduce the risk of flooding multiple compartments.

Yes, so-called 'Azipod' propulsion systems are quite common on many kinds of commercial vessels.

However, for warships capable of 30+ kn, I'd guess there are challenges not faced by commercial Azipod usage.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by invertedohm »

dagw wrote: post #71
invertedohm wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original is "Krigsskipet gjør først en unnamanøver i siste liten". Now, I don't speak Norwegian but I'm guessing the word "unnamanøver" is pretty versatile considering the translations you get when making minor changes. Krigsskipet = war ship (german-ish) gjør = verb to do først = first unnamanøver = evasive action (in other context apparently "nightmare" or "kidney robbery"?) i siste liten = at the last minute I…

I'm guessing the word "unnamanøver" is pretty versatile considering the translations you get when making minor changes. That is pretty bizzare. I cannot think of any context or situation where "unnamanøver" could possibly mean anything other than evasive maneuver, nor do the Norwegian words for either kidney or nightmare look or sound anything even vaguely close to "unnamanøver"

Oh yeah it's definitely a weird Translate bug.

"Krigsskipet gjør en unnamanøver" translates to "The war ship is doing nightmare". "først en unnamanøver" to "first a young man", "unnamanøver i siste liten" is "last minute kidnap".

Translate seems very confused by that word.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by cm2187 »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #26

How come the ship's radar didn't warn of the impending collision. If my Tesla can do it surely a warship should be able to.

I don't know why you get downvoted. I have the same question. A warship is loaded with radars, and he didn't run into a small non metallic object.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by benj111 »

dagw wrote: post #68
benj111 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The war ship first carries out a last minute kidney robbery" Google is failing me. Is this a Norwegian saying, or a mistranslation?

Very weird mistranslation. The word in the original is "unnamanøver" which mean evasive maneuver. Nothing in that word or sentence sounds/looks anything like the Norwegian words for kidney or robbery.

Well according to this the word translates the kidney AND robbery?!

Thanks all.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by timonoko »

tom_mellior wrote: post #72
timonoko wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could use ID's of decommissioned ships. Or ID's of ships with only seasonal use. The problem is that smugglers and spies soon learn those false ID's if they are not changed frequently.

Or they could just frickin' identify themselves, in peacetime, in their own waters.

No in Norway they cannot. The Coast Guard is after Russian Vodka Smugglers and the Navy is watching for Russian Sneak Attack. It does not work if the enemy knows where you are.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by jonasmst »

benj111 wrote: post #58
tartoran wrote: post #17

Google transnation: Could "Sola TS" do more? "Sola TS" still had the tire lights when they drove out in the fjord, although ships should not light that obscures the visibility of the red and green lanterns. "Helge Ingstad" had noticed the lights that were the tanker and had plans to take a boat and sail around (ie on the side towards the fjord, not on the side towards the country). 3:58 AM said, "The Sola TS" captain…

"The war ship first carries out a last minute kidney robbery" Google is failing me. Is this a Norwegian saying, or a mistranslation?

Norwegian here. Indeed, "Krigsskipet gjør først en unnamanøver i siste liten", means "The war ship initially performs a last-minute evasive maneuver". Skimming this, I dismissed kidney robbery as some navy lingo I'm not familiar with, but it's a really bizarre error in translation.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by dagw »

spanxx wrote: post #52

How can you not see a big ship coming towards you even at night? I mean don't you see it's lights. Furthermore, they were warned repeatedly by radio. I'm sorry if I sound harsh but I can't help but think how they can be so incompetent? I'm afraid there is a worrying trend in these kind of accidents to deflect the blame to the electronics/software. Isn't your job to keep the car/ship/vehicle intact? Technology is ther…

I mean don't you see it's lights.

One problem in this case appears (among other things) to have been too many lights. The Sola TS apparently had full deck lights on, something you're only supposed to have while docked, and which made the boat blend in with the background lights from the terminal.

Re: Norwegian frigate sinking has far-reaching implications

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Post by goodcanadian »

There are a lot of good comments on this story. What stood out to me in the article, however, was that they thought the lights on the tanker were part of the port. Sounds like a bit of a stupid mistake in the context of what other commenters are saying, but fine, whatever, you thought they were lights of the port. Why on Earth did you ram the port at 17 knots?

EDIT: Yes, I understand they didn't think it was moving, but it would have been obviously close to their line of travel. A bit of caution would have been appropriate.

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