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Are these guys courting VC funding? This looks less like a feature their users actually asked for than a bullet point for a sales pitch.
They've been on Mastodon for over a year. I think they just wanted to be able to see their Nextcloud stuff from there. https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud
The personal issue I have with ownCloud / Nextcloud, is that I simply don't trust the technical competence of the developers, who picked PHP as the most suitable programming language for a multi-platform network-intensive application in 2010. There were simply no technical reasons for doing this – and there are still none.
I have to tentatively agree... I would think that Python, NodeJS and Go would all be better options. Node would have the benefits of similar tooling for the UX/UI side as the backend, Python would also be scripted with more consistent constraints and Go was designed for this kind of workload.
But talk was initially written in Go, which made it harder to install, so we actually rewrote it in PHP... There's a lot of value in having a built-in app store that is easy to use from the web UI. There is a reason why the web runs on PHP. And it isn't because it is perfect, but it has some neath advantages that just help in many scenarios.
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They've been on Mastodon for over a year. I think they just wanted to be able to see their Nextcloud stuff from there. https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud
Yup. Also, VC funding? Heck no, we started Nextcloud because VC funding had bankrupted and blown up ownCloud... I mean, seriously. It is now owned by a German real estate agent...
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I want to say Ubuntu does that? Its a larger frustration with a lot of open source projects though. I'd love to throw some money to say thanks, but its either really hard or convoluted. The easiest way I have found so far is with android ones, I just buy the paid versions on there.
That's really a nice, sympathetic idea. The main issue with that is that it simply doesn't provide anywhere near enough money to pay a real team. Our forums, for example, have about 17.7k users according to help.nextcloud.com/about Let's say we get ALL those users to pay 10 bucks per year. Not going to happen, of course - but let's say we put in a lot of effort there. That can pay for 3-4 developers. We have 25. Shou…
I understand and very much respect your prespective. If I was in a company that could use your software, I would point them to you.
If you don't mind from a single home user, my prospective was: I really like Nextcloud, I want to at least send some money your way. I know it won't sustain you, but for all your software does for me, I feel like I can donate. I go to your website, I look at pricing, and the lowest pricing I saw was 1900 euro for 50 users. I didn't even know bounty source was an option.
Now that I know bounty source exists, I will send money on that. However, may I suggest to put bountysource on your main website so folks like me can at least support you (or if your employees can't take money out of it, give folks like me a way to give you money)? I get the fact that running on that won't sustain a business, but I would like to think that if users saw that on your website, you would get more money that way.
Or maybe for a thought too, I brought up Android on the previous one. I forget which app I had, but they had a paid and a free version. I looked at the paid version, and it said something along the lines of "this version is no different than the free version. However, if you would like to support us, please consider buying our paid version." Their monaterization was not more intrustive than that. I bought the paid version, because I knew the money would go to the developers.
If perhaps you doing any monaterization is too much if a pain that it isn't worth it (or you don't want to alienate anyone, or perhaps if people pay then you have to support and its too costly), I understand. However, I would like to think you would get some return on investment by some simple non-intrusive ways to monatize your product.
And since I didn't say it before, thank you for the software. I know I can't give enough back to sustain your company, but your software is in my daily workflow and is an amazing product. I have also been responsible for getting several other people to use it on a daily basis, and they depend on it as well.
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I have to tentatively agree... I would think that Python, NodeJS and Go would all be better options. Node would have the benefits of similar tooling for the UX/UI side as the backend, Python would also be scripted with more consistent constraints and Go was designed for this kind of workload.
NodeJS didn't exist, Python is slow and Go scales fine on ONE server but doesn't scale horizontally very well... while PHP scales perfectly that way. It has downsides, which is why we pick other languages for some components (our Spreed High Performance Back-end for Nextcloud Talk is written in Go, our app store in Ruby). But talk was initially written in Go, which made it harder to install, so we actually rewrote it…
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My knowledge is a year or two out of date, but I think “it’s all just webdav” is part of the problem, and they sort of painted themselves into a corner by using it as a protocol. They ended up with a bunch of extra API hacks on top of WebDAV for things like multiparty uploads, and things still go wonky if you try to connect a random WebDAV client to it. I built an ownCloud file storage replacement that worked with th…
The synchronization is a nightmare. The C++ client is hard to figure out, and even harder to maintain as a customized solution. Worse, they don't get the usual benefit of C++ clients being lean and resource-friendly because they now ship with an embedded QT Webbrowser.
For example it's impossible to know which errors are actually a problem, and if synchronization was successful or aborted. Some of the progress information is in a tooltip which changes a couple of times per second.
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Not sure why you’re downvoted - those are legitimate questions. I’m on a local network over WiFi. The “server” is a RPi3+ with an extrernal USB 3 drive. Granted, I don’t expect it to be blazing-fast, but not 3-5 pictures-per-hour slow either. Something is fundamentally broken on the iOS app especially since both the Windows and OSX clients are much faster (same network).
3-5 pics per hour is indeed insane, that is a certainly some bug. Especially if it is iOS specific. Be sure to file the bug with as much info as possible (see if you can probe network activity or just see if the app uploads a file and waits for 10 minutes or something...) We do very frequent releases so perhaps it'll just be fixed at some point ;-) Good luck and sorry for the problem!
I often find myself in your shoes in my daily work - answering frustrated users’ emails - but it’s funny how when the tables are turned, I am reminded how something as simple as “we fix stuff frequently, and sorry for the problem” makes a huge difference in product perception.
Also, it’s a free product, you don’t owe me an apology at all, but thanks!
As an admin of a 500 user instance I'm having mixed feelings about Nextcloud. Sure it's GPL and free and it got a lot better than the old owncloud mess that broke always but it's still somewhat a gamble. My install is just a no-warranty, non-commercial use case and I wouldn't use it for any large commercial installation without having at least one dedicated and skilled PHP-dev on-site. I came to resent their marketin…
Don't use the old ownCloud mess, use the new one. I'm currently running ownCloud 10 and it works great. The stability and architecture of the project have really improved in the last years. It seems to be scalable too, when you look at the big organizations running ownCloud. All the know-how and feedback of the big instances is flowing into ownCloud, not nextcloud. Speaks for alpha-quality. I have not tried the migra…
Our customers tend to be bigger, actually. Like the German federal government with 300K users, companies like Siemens, german Radio & TV stations (transferring over 1TB/day!). Our biggest deployment (in a single instance) is over 20 million users - see nextcloud.com/globalscale for how we pull that off. ownCloud has no equivalent solution for such installations and breaks down at about 50K users.
For home users or very small businesses, the difference might not be that big but the migrations we do for customers show time and again that there is a big improvement in performance and reliability, especially on large installations.
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Don't use the old ownCloud mess, use the new one. I'm currently running ownCloud 10 and it works great. The stability and architecture of the project have really improved in the last years. It seems to be scalable too, when you look at the big organizations running ownCloud. All the know-how and feedback of the big instances is flowing into ownCloud, not nextcloud. Speaks for alpha-quality. I have not tried the migra…
ownCloud seems to be going for hosting small and medium sized businesses, I'm not sure what that means for big organizations in the future. Our customers tend to be bigger, actually. Like the German federal government with 300K users, companies like Siemens, german Radio & TV stations (transferring over 1TB/day!). Our biggest deployment (in a single instance) is over 20 million users - see nextcloud.com/globalscale f…
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Yup. Also, VC funding? Heck no, we started Nextcloud because VC funding had bankrupted and blown up ownCloud... I mean, seriously. It is now owned by a German real estate agent...
By the way. Thanks a lot for your work with Nedtcloud. It's really great.