Even right now, you can install sshd and/or use the client by adding them as a feature, or by installing manually.
https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH
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> Linux has switched its kernel to NT. See WSL This makes absolutely no sense. Linux is a kernel. If Linux 'switched its kernel to NT', it would not be Linux. Perhaps you meant the userspace, which is not dependent upon the kernel?
WSL is an implementation of the Linux kernel ABI on top of the NT kernel. Typical Linux user space does depend on the kernel ABI – most significantly via glibc, systemd and friends, but also to various degrees up through the stack.
> Typical Linux user space does depend on the kernel ABI
Not really. There are some exceptions (systemd), but there are libc implementations for other kernels, and the GNU userland definitely runs on other kernels without a hard dependency on any Linux kernel ABI.
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I don’t use LibreOffice or Office anymore, but is Libre actually a better product?
It has a lot more UI options, so you can remove the Ribbon and other controversial UI elements. It’s also scriptable in JavaScript and Python [0], which is an improvement over VBA for the HN crowd. [0]: https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Scripting
Office 2016 lets you replace VBA with Javascript, for what it's worth.
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#84As someone who just started working as a developer and is using windows for the first time in 4.5 years, I can't believe how much I miss ssh and command line tools for everything...
ssh keys would solve so much trouble with scripting and credentials...
Also sudo...
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#85So now I’m just waiting to hear Microsoft is switching its kernel to Linux. Especially after the switch to chromium.
From what I understand NT already abstracts Win 32/64 APIs roughly the same way it abstracts the POSIX ones -- if they switched to Linux kernel + an abstraction layer for Win 64 (Official Microsoft Wine, basically) that's one less kernel and one less abstraction to maintain (WSL replaced by the kernel's native interface). I would happily pay for and operate such a product -- especially if I could install such a "Wind…
WSL doesn't actually run a Linux kernel - it's a linux api mapping, just like csrss is a Win32 mapping, to the windows kernel calls. So they're already only running one kernel, but it's NT.
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GNU/WindowsNT
GNU/Xenix is making a come back !! for those you who don't remember Xenix was Microsoft's UNIX that it marketted prior to releasing DOS. Originally the idea was Xenix was the multi-user OS, DOS was the single user.
Yes. They shipped a functional userland and shell this time, and targeted developers. And it stuck.
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#87That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?
Because you can't see My Pictures and open Office docs via CLI
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#88That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?
Most of those GUIs are just wrappers for the CLI to begin with. Heck, the default installation of windows does not even have a GUI. People ahem really need to update their thinking of what it means to be Windows.
That's misleading at best (GUI windows apps that technically can be emulated from the commandline often practically cannot be--CLI tools or the registry/config-file interactions required to perform actions that are clearly exposed and well-documented in the GUI often have nonexistent or terrible documentation. In even marginally complex apps, this puts the effort required to script the functionality of the GUI on par with the effort of reverse engineering it--and that's Microsoft-authored tools and Windows functionality, which is worlds ahead of most third-party software in scriptability) and just plain false at worst (huge swaths of stuff just don't have APIs that are accessible without writing and compiling code--PowerShell and very aggressive pushes by Microsoft for WMI/CMI and WinRM more recently have only just begun to erode that).
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#89Now all they have to do is switch their kernel to linux, their gui to kde and get their office suite to LibreOffice, and Windows will be the perfect computer.
Windows ux is better out of the box than on any Linux so far, it's really polished. The office suite is also much better than alternatives. So just switching the kernel to Linux would be enough and super winrar.
Genuinely wondering which Linux distros/desktop environments you've tried. I think Elementary and Gnome 3 Ubuntu are both incredibly well-polished, so much more so than Windows. And all the Windows fans I work with complain that Office 2016 crippled their workflow in some way and hid features.
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They started on this in the late 2000s when I was an intern there. But there was a lot to untangle. It’s the biggest refactoring job you can imagine. A decade long effort. Back then they didn’t really understand the point of ssh though. They had a vision of remote management via .net RPC and powershell.
> Back then they didn’t really understand the point of ssh though. As an outside observer, it really looked to me like Microsoft had their head in the clouds up until about 2011. It's like the whole decade between 2005-2015 for MS was about recognizing and coming to terms with the multiple "whole worlds out there" and getting past NIH syndrome.
To be fair to Kodak, it is very hard to invent digital photography but fail greatly to use it. Or Xerox, ... or IBM who is the largest PC seller exactly the time when it was overwhelmed by Microsoft.
An organisation large enough would have middle management and people who promote from within. And they are successful in one culture and it worked even for customers.
Then ...