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Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by Narishma »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #92
JohnFen wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want web designers to be able to alter the look of the browser itself.

The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash will also be able handle two scrollbar colors responsibly. Take e.g. a textarea that gains focus and has the both scrollbar and border change color, what's so terrible about that?

Not sure if sarcasm but web developers routinely screw up text color, making it illegible due to low contrast among other things.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by ziftface »

BoumTAC wrote: post #185
kentosi wrote: post #172

Good work guys. For those using Firefox, I have one question. Is there any way to replicate Chrome's tab-to-search feature? It's literally the ONLY reason I'm still on Chrome. Let me explain by showing how I would search for "apples" in youtube across both browsers. Firefox: 1 - Ctrl+L (go to location bar) 2 - Type "you", press "down" to select youtube from history. 3 - Wait for site to load...... 4 - Click on search…

Yes but it isn't as good as google. Go to youtube. Right click on the youtube search bar. add a keyword for this search. choose your keyword (ex: yt) now you can type in the omnibar "yt my search" and it will do directly the search. It's not as good as chrome solution but it's the only thing for now.

Wow I actually like this better. Didn't know about these features in either browser though.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by PavlovsCat »

Narishma wrote: post #241
PavlovsCat wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash will also be able handle two scrollbar colors responsibly. Take e.g. a textarea that gains focus and has the both scrollbar and border change color, what's so terrible about that?

Not sure if sarcasm but web developers routinely screw up text color, making it illegible due to low contrast among other things.

That's the point.. since you probably woulnd't argue for taking away background and text color, you already "trust" web devs with those. If a website is unreadable, the scrollbar doesn't matter. If it's readable, the scrollbar will look great, too. Also see other comment.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by dredmorbius »

peshooo wrote: post #154
kevincrane wrote: post #120

> We’re excited to introduce multiple tab selection, which makes it easier to manage windows with many open tabs. Simply hold Control (Windows, Linux) or Command (macOS) and click on tabs to select them. Once selected, click and drag to move the tabs as a group — either within a given window, or out into a new window. Yessss. It doesn't happen often, but the times when I open up 6-10 tabs for research but then decide…

In cases like this I used to open a new window and use this plugin [0] to move them fast, because dragging tabs between windows seems very finicky to me in Firefox. Hopefully with this update things will improve. [0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/movetab/

Moving tabs-between-windows (Tree Style Tabs, OSX) is probably my least favourite part of Firefox presently.

That and the keep-consuming-all-memory-until-all-memory-is-consumed switch, and the killing of GCLI (see: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/77a57160cf470136d1540218b70db...) which makes restarting FF far more fraught. Quite honestly, a "force quit" seems to be the most effective approach.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by JohnFen »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #92
JohnFen wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want web designers to be able to alter the look of the browser itself.

The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash will also be able handle two scrollbar colors responsibly. Take e.g. a textarea that gains focus and has the both scrollbar and border change color, what's so terrible about that?

Those controls are not part of the content, they are part of the application or operating environment itself, and I have configured them the way that I want them.

As such, they should be off limits to web designer's whims.

As an aside, my experience with web sites over the years (particularly recently) doesn't exactly give me a great deal of confidence that they would make appropriate choices for the appearance of these controls.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by dredmorbius »

daleharvey wrote: post #219
mancerayder wrote: post #180

What's the status of the cat and mouse game being played with autoplay video being forced on and new options needing to be hunted down? First Chrome forced it on, because EvilCorp's business model is around a forced-open-eyelid philosophy of advertising revenue from unstoppable impressions. Next I moved to Firefox, which in an update a few months ago changed the autoplay option to be on, removed the config attribute…

I introduced the change to 0,1,2. Not sure what happened when we first introduced autoplay but the change to 0,1,2 was so we could let users switch between enabled, disabled and ask the user. Original plan was to ask the user by default. We did some user testing with this change and it looks like we will be changing it to block by default based on feedback Not sure what this has to do with any companies ad revenue, o…

Thank you. Video-autoplay-on-reatart is absolutely maddening.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by dredmorbius »

dilap wrote: post #60

Still no bounce scroll on mac makes this dead in the water for me. Folks, the UI look and feel stuff really matters. You can't treat a platform like a second-class citizen and hope to gain widespread adoption.

What is bounce scroll?

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by NathanCH »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #227
XCSme wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am working on a HTML5 game which has a list of rooms, list which has a scrollbar. It looks as ugly as it can be with the default scrollbar when everything else is neatly designed and has a specific theme, it ruins the immersion and reminds you hey, this is just a browser game, not a real game. I am not saying that all the sites should have custom scrollbars, but there are definitely use cases for it.

> it ruins the immersion and reminds you hey, this is just a browser game, not a real game. If you're uncomfortable with the user realizing the game is a browser game, why did you make it in a browser?

There are plenty of UI which allows users to scroll but does not feature a scroll bar. This is standard on mobile operating systems.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by JohnFen »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #155
bzbarsky wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash Just to check, is that sarcasm? Because having those end up the same for users who use non-default colors is a _very_ common webdev mistake...

No sarcasm, and that question wasn't rhetorical either: How is a scrollbar that different from other input elements within webpages that can already be styled? And what do you mean by using non-default colors? User stylesheets would also include scrollbar colors anyway; do you mean just setting a background but no text color (assuming a default of black, which might not be black for the user)? Don't see how this coul…

"If you can allow websites to hide the mouse cursor"

I object to this as well, but that's a battle that was lost a long time ago.

Re: Firefox 64 Released

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Post by dredmorbius »

JohnFen wrote: post #48
skykooler wrote: post #4

Woo CSS scrollbars finally!

I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want web designers to be able to alter the look of the browser itself.

It's a HORRIBLE idea.

And I say that as someone who's tweaked scrollbars but only in userContent / userChrome configs.

https://codepen.io/dredmorbius/pen/QwXBEO

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