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Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

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Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

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So correct me if I'm wrong, but the most sinister part of the story in how some might assume SuperMicro is a Chinese or a MainlandChinese-founded company. It came right around the time ZTE, Huawei and others were facing renewed scrutiny. So you can imagine how easy it is to read the story and just think "oh, another Chinese company got busted".

It's also easy to read this as a smear campaign against Chinese companies.

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

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post #28

Let's say Super Micro is right and there were no malicious hardware at all for sure. What are the consequences for Bloomberg for this incompetence? I mean, there needs to be something.. Just because you're a news organization, you can't simply escape with "Oh, my bad". This had real implications on stock prices of so many companies and wiped off shareholder value on many of them, including Super Micro. If Bloomberg's…

I believe the current line there, at least in the US, is whether they knowingly ran factually inaccurate information. Given their doubling down, unless we assume they somehow didn't ask their legal department, I would bet they have enough sources for the information that they think they're not at risk of being prosecuted for libel or slander.

The bar for libel and slander is very high. I also think it’s civil and not criminal, so there would be no prosecution in any case, they would just get sued.

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

#43
post #21

The question I have is: is it possible that there was such an incredible threat to national security that even an auditor could be convinced by a federal agency to give a false report? If it really didn't happen, how could a reputable news agency get a report so wrong? What exactly is going on here?

What bothers me most about this article is that it's based around what "Super Micro says" -- why would I care about what Supermicro says? They are the ones being accused of having backdoors in their chips. I would've liked to hear this directly from the company doing the audit, without Super Micro's own "interpretation". The second thing that bothers me about this story is that it was Supermicro that paid for the aud…

"A person familiar with the analysis told Reuters it had been conducted by global firm Nardello & Co and that customers could ask for more detail on that company’s findings."

So I guess yes you can bypass Super Micro if you're a customer.

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

#44

Has Bloomberg even replied to the "Uhm, WTF you talking about Willis" responses from Apple/Amazon? I don't recall seeing one. I wonder what they will say now.. How can they just make up a story like this and it can slide?

Sort of. They doubled down with a second related article after the responses from Apple and Amazon, in which they briefly mention the rebuttals: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/new-evide...

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

#45

The question I have is: is it possible that there was such an incredible threat to national security that even an auditor could be convinced by a federal agency to give a false report? If it really didn't happen, how could a reputable news agency get a report so wrong? What exactly is going on here?

When I worked as an attorney for a bank one of my jobs was to "manage" the audit engagements. When an audit has serious findings you can almost guarantee that's just the tip of the iceberg. On the other hand, an audit or review without any findings just means the company under review had some combination of good lawyers and friendly auditors.

In my experience, there are two types of firms you can almost always find "friendly" auditors: law firms and small specialized "boutique" firms (accounting, consulting, etc). Who conducted this review? A boutique law firm.

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

#46
post #28

Let's say Super Micro is right and there were no malicious hardware at all for sure. What are the consequences for Bloomberg for this incompetence? I mean, there needs to be something.. Just because you're a news organization, you can't simply escape with "Oh, my bad". This had real implications on stock prices of so many companies and wiped off shareholder value on many of them, including Super Micro. If Bloomberg's…

When the state department tells you to write a story you write the story, or face the real prospect of the end of access which will be the end your journalism career. Not an ideal system for anyone, except the state department.

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

#47
post #28

Let's say Super Micro is right and there were no malicious hardware at all for sure. What are the consequences for Bloomberg for this incompetence? I mean, there needs to be something.. Just because you're a news organization, you can't simply escape with "Oh, my bad". This had real implications on stock prices of so many companies and wiped off shareholder value on many of them, including Super Micro. If Bloomberg's…

The companies/shareholders being affected by this are free to sue the paper over defamation.

Something tells me they won't.

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

#48
post #28

Let's say Super Micro is right and there were no malicious hardware at all for sure. What are the consequences for Bloomberg for this incompetence? I mean, there needs to be something.. Just because you're a news organization, you can't simply escape with "Oh, my bad". This had real implications on stock prices of so many companies and wiped off shareholder value on many of them, including Super Micro. If Bloomberg's…

When the state department tells you to write a story you write the story, or face the real prospect of the end of access which will be the end your journalism career. Not an ideal system for anyone, except the state department.

Anything to back that up ?

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

#49

The question I have is: is it possible that there was such an incredible threat to national security that even an auditor could be convinced by a federal agency to give a false report? If it really didn't happen, how could a reputable news agency get a report so wrong? What exactly is going on here?

WRT the how could they get it so wrong question, I guess it's time for the obligatory link to Michael Crichton's essay "Why Speculate?" and his discussion of the "Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect" [1]

Money quote: "You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

"In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know."

1 - http://larvatus.com/michael-crichton-why-speculate/

Re: Super Micro says review found no malicious chips in motherboards

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post #14

The question I have is: is it possible that there was such an incredible threat to national security that even an auditor could be convinced by a federal agency to give a false report? If it really didn't happen, how could a reputable news agency get a report so wrong? What exactly is going on here?

I think the most likely explanation is that Bloomberg got played by the sources who perhaps wanted to trade on the price action the story would obviously cause. We don't really know anything about Bloomberg's sources we do know the nature of all the parties denying any of this is true.

When your writers are rewarded for stories that move the market[1], it's going to be tempting to go for the sensational and to omit information that weakens the story.

I think this might just be another case of unintentional consequences from incentives.

[1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-reporters-compensa...

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