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Why Do Women Earn Less Than Men? Evidence from Bus and Train Operators [pdf]

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Men take more overtime, women do more domestic work, men are paid for overtime, women are not paid for domestic work. Is this not unjust?

Who would pay the woman for her domestic work? The man? I suppose he could buy her food, shelter, even gifts. Now there's a thought...

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#92
post #90

I wonder why studies like this never explore incentive models of why there are different choices. What does the data say about the subset of men who go against the gender norm and avoid inconvenient days, do not work overtime, prioritizing schedulerelated amenities, and take more unpaid time off. How does society treat that subset compared to the majority that follows gender norm? I would predict that their income wo…

What data do you base these predictions on? Is there any relevant data in the paper?

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#93

The coverage on this subject is more and more made to follow a feminist/sexist narrative that wants to prove that the world is patriarchal and against womens. the common saying "0.70$ for every 1.00$ of a man" is when you average all the women salaries against all the man salaries. It doesn't take into account specific individuals or interests. I believe the main issue here is that womens are on average more interest…

Just imagine you work 40h per week and get money $ and it doesn't depend on how hard you push at salary negotiations or what gender you have or if you can make children or how willing you are to do overtime or work on skewed work hours.

That doesn't only help woman, that helps everyone.

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#94
post #90

I wonder why studies like this never explore incentive models of why there are different choices. What does the data say about the subset of men who go against the gender norm and avoid inconvenient days, do not work overtime, prioritizing schedulerelated amenities, and take more unpaid time off. How does society treat that subset compared to the majority that follows gender norm? I would predict that their income wo…

What data do you base these predictions on? Is there any relevant data in the paper?

While the word "predict" does appear, it is not in the sense of a prediction made upon data, but rather, the parent asks for a hypothesis to be tested.

Therefore; these predictions are not based on any data. They are based upon knowledge and assumptions of the world.

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post #90

I wonder why studies like this never explore incentive models of why there are different choices. What does the data say about the subset of men who go against the gender norm and avoid inconvenient days, do not work overtime, prioritizing schedulerelated amenities, and take more unpaid time off. How does society treat that subset compared to the majority that follows gender norm? I would predict that their income wo…

What data do you base these predictions on? Is there any relevant data in the paper?

I base my predictions on the number of studies and lecture which explore different aspect of those issues, but what I would like to see is a study that address those directly in the context of wage differences between men and women. This paper could have done this since they have much of the data, but they didn't.

If you just want some random sources, there is a government study here in Sweden that looks at involuntarily childlessness and there is a significant correlation with income and men. That was published just a few weeks ago. Dating sites have brought data and shown that both success and quantitative response is very strongly positively correlated with income for men. It is often mentioned when I read about social status, with the same old mentioning of correlation between income and men. People who look at divorce rate see a correlation when men lose their job and their wives filing, with a larger drop in social support for the men. The theme is quite common in many studies on the topic.

From listening to social experimental studies, when people try to reverse expectations, you often see stereotypical results decreasing, but as is often found, it does not go down to zero. When it come to life span expectancy and health, a common theme is that women prioritize and spend more time with the health sector than men. A commonly cited reason that men do not go to the doctor is because it conflicts with work priorities. Thus by combining that result with this study, I would predict that if you look at the subset that defies gender expectations, then a larger percentile of that subgroup will go to the doctor than the majority. However I have seen similar health related studies say that especially psychologists treat men and women differently and perceive men as being healthier than they are, resulting in worse health care even for those men which do defy gender expectations. To add to the problems, lower social status and smaller social support network affects health significantly which is why I am not sure if prioritizing doctors over higher income is better or worse.

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#96
This data seems of limited applicability to most jobs considering that these operators would typically have very standardized pay scales, very standardized promotion tracks, very standardized job roles, very standardized performance evaluation criteria and so on which greatly limits the factors that can affect pay differences. Most jobs have much greater variability in all of those areas.

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#98

TLDR: > Mechanically, the earnings gap can be explained in our setting by the fact that men take 48% fewer unpaid hours off and work 83% more overtime hours per year than women. The reason for these differences is not that men and women face different choice sets in this job. Rather, it is that women have greater demand for workplace flexibility and lower demand for overtime work hours than men.

Headlines should reflect this finding but then that wouldn't garner as many views. It seems that this pay difference argument is often framed as something done maliciously or purposefully by the employer instead of neutral decisions made in response to decisions made by the employee.

Naturally whomever is caring for children will want more flexibility at work and receive different pay to accommodate this, regardless of if that person is a man or a woman.

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#99
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rise of single motherhood strikes again. The study addressed this. There are sexist gender roles at play even among single parents, potentially. (To wit, you didn’t lament the rise of “single fatherhood.”) From the study, > These results suggest that single men are able to take care of their dependents by working more overtime, possibly to pay for child support or to finance other forms of child care. Single women,…

> The study addressed this. There are sexist gender roles at play even among single parents, potentially. (To wit, you didn’t lament the rise of “single fatherhood.”) Isn't that mostly caused by a sexist judiciary. I know that as a man in America in the event of a divorce it is very unlikely that I would get majority custody of my children. From what I've seen it takes a lot for a woman to lose custody if she wants i…

The custody gap is largely caused by different desires about custody. This is still an issue, but it is the same issue as the wage gap due to different career choices. When men and women fight for custody equally, they tend to get joint custody.
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