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The Firefox Dilemma

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Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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I'd love to use Firefox, but always go back to Chrome because couple of small issues: - Pinch zoom using the trackpad or the touchscreen is not smooth, it doesnt zoom the whole page just elements. Chrome/Safari/Edge does it well. - Tab tearing is clunky compared to Chrome. - The UI for bookmarks/history is awkward. For example it takes 4 clicks to reopen a recently closed tab compared to 2 in Chrome. When I add the h…

Right click the tab bar and click "undo close tab" to reopen it with two clicks, or use ctrl-shift-t to reopen it without the mouse.

Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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Firefox was always slow - the GUI felt slower than IE to me - and while it theoretically had better standards support, there were no websites that didn't work in IE. (Personally I was using Konqueror in that era - even then it felt like a much better browser - and wish the open-source community had rallied behind it. But the US open-source folks never seemed to pay much attention to anything that had been implemented…

Konqueror was "suicided" by KDE themselves, right about the time Apple picked it up to make WebKit. The truth is that working on browser engines is hard and unfashionable work, nobody in opensource really wants to do it. Every desktop environment made its crappy half-baked reimplementation when it looked like deep desktop integration was inevitable and Netscape was a black-box (the IE 4/5 era), then dropped it when F…

> Konqueror was "suicided" by KDE themselves, right about the time Apple picked it up to make WebKit.

How so? The browser kept working nicely the whole time. Eventually Webkit was offered as a rendering engine option when development overtook mainline KHTML, but that was long after Apple first adopted it.

Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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I fully agree with this article. I respect people choosing products based on ideality, but I personally will just use what suits my demand/preference best. When I first switched from IE to Firefox 1.5, it's because it has tabs. And I loved it more and more once I figured out how well-built it is and how powerful addons can be. When Chrome firstly came, it was pretty bad in term of functionality. The extension system…

People always say "we can't do anything about it" when some bad situation happen. Except it happens because it emerges from the collective behavior. Now, one can't fight a all the fights, and I don't think somebody that decides to avoid this one is a bad person. But one should definitly pick up some fights. Choose some things to pay for, decide some things to consume or be part of, not just by the nature of it, but b…

We don't necessarily agree on "what is bad" in this case, so I will leave that alone.

Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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Also Firefox for Android gets a shit version of Google search. But if you spoof your user agent it works perfectly. That definitely is using their dominance in search to make people.use their web browser.

Can you give more details?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=975444

Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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> By making people excited to use Firefox rather than wary of using Chrome, I believe we can more effectively galvanise support for Firefox, and improve the health of the browser ‘market’ all round.

No, because Google can just copy those features (except for the privacy respecting ones; but almost nobody cares about them)

Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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People always say "we can't do anything about it" when some bad situation happen. Except it happens because it emerges from the collective behavior. Now, one can't fight a all the fights, and I don't think somebody that decides to avoid this one is a bad person. But one should definitly pick up some fights. Choose some things to pay for, decide some things to consume or be part of, not just by the nature of it, but b…

We don't necessarily agree on "what is bad" in this case, so I will leave that alone.

Nobody agree on that. Bad and good doesn't really exist, it's just a line we draw so it's ok. That kinda of my first point really.

Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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No, that’s bookmark keywords, which are not widely used and difficult to discover, and for which there’s a rough alternative in search engines. I believe it’s on the chopping block, or at least it looked to be a few months ago, as I discovered when looking through Bugzilla to see about exposing bookmark keywords to WebExtensions so that I could make an extension that would implement DuckDuckGo’s !bangs in the browser…

If they get rid of bookmark keywords, without some other equivalent mechanism (i.e. one that lets me set up URL bar commands so that "wp X" -> roughly "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X", "g" -> "mail.google.com/u/0/h", and so on), then I will be really annoyed.

It’s possible to use search engines instead, but creating your own basically requires you to find or craft a search box that is equivalent to the desired action. It’s in no way easy to work with (not like making a bookmark with the %s placeholder), and isn’t quite as pleasant to use in the awesome bar either. I’m with you that removing bookmark keywords would be very annoying at present.

Re: The Firefox Dilemma

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A big problem is that the web standard is too complicated. Browsers are pretty much a virtual os that can do almost everything. For anyone to make a browser from scratch today is not feasible. We will move towards a monoculture, because there is no alternative unless we make a drastic shift in rethinking how the web should work.

This! I'd be very happy with a fixed, lower tier of web standard that is easy to implement against. It should contain enough standards to build attractive, solid (eg) online banking interfaces, blogs and news sites, commenting etc. In other words, a minimum for media consumption, rather than apps.

Building a browser that supported only AMP would be one way to do this and have a significant number of pages you could handle.

(Disclosure: I work for Google on AMP ads. I also know how much people here dislike AMP, so this is not entirely serious.)

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