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Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by DeonPenny »

kurtisc wrote: post #51
onetimemanytime wrote: post #23

IMO: Trade war Courts in China are not independent, let's be honest. Hurting Apple, the crown jewel, is a warning to USA (even if Qualcomm is US based) Edit: also see Huawei CFO getting jailed etc etc. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-05/huawei-cf... China answered....with hundreds of billions in market cap for Apple.

>Courts in China are not independent, let's be honest. The USA has elected and appointed partisan judges!

Whom has told the leader of that party donald trump on the national and state level to stuff it plenty of times.

Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by vkou »

DeonPenny wrote: post #61
kurtisc wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Courts in China are not independent, let's be honest. The USA has elected and appointed partisan judges!

Whom has told the leader of that party donald trump on the national and state level to stuff it plenty of times.

And, in other examples, are doing exactly what their campaign backers expect them to do.

Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by dsabanin »

This looks like it could easily be a part of the retaliation for the arrest of the Huawei executive last week. Timing is pretty revealing and I have no doubt that Chinese courts, similar to Soviet courts, are completely subservient to the executive branch.

Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by Zak »

konschubert wrote: post #31
eganist wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That same argument could be levied against all patents more generally, and as a result, I don't think it really helps the anti-software-patent cause. Physical patents have been licensed for this reason (to avoid the r&d of alternative methods) since nearly the advent of patents.

The hard thing in software is not idea, but execution. Patents that patent trivial ideas are nothing but roadblocks. Edit: There are some ideas in software that were non-obvious. Algorithms and protocols. Those might make sense to be patent-able.

The thing that's legally meant to be patentable is the execution, not the idea. The thing is in a lot of cases, the execution isn't the hard part:

Given an e-commerse website having a database full of user accounts that includes their shipping address and credit card information, implement one-click ordering.

Given a capacitive touchscreen and UI framework for interacting with it, implement slide-to-unlock.

A programmer competent in the use of the relevant technologies can easily implement these requests, and will probably come up with a solution similar to those employed by Amazon and Apple, respectively. That one-click ordering on an e-commerce site was a good idea was actually novel, but there isn't a form of IP protection that's intended to cover mere ideas that are demonstrated publicly.

Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by karmasimida »

dsabanin wrote: post #64

This looks like it could easily be a part of the retaliation for the arrest of the Huawei executive last week. Timing is pretty revealing and I have no doubt that Chinese courts, similar to Soviet courts, are completely subservient to the executive branch.

This is a suit brought by another American company.

Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by DeonPenny »

vkou wrote: post #62
DeonPenny wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whom has told the leader of that party donald trump on the national and state level to stuff it plenty of times.

And, in other examples, are doing exactly what their campaign backers expect them to do.

Yes that means that do things that trump agrees with and some things that he doesn't. As you'd expect someone making their best judgments. Unlike the courts in China which never ever ever do anything to contradict Xi and CCP.

Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by onetimemanytime »

throwy67i4 wrote: post #46
onetimemanytime wrote: post #23

IMO: Trade war Courts in China are not independent, let's be honest. Hurting Apple, the crown jewel, is a warning to USA (even if Qualcomm is US based) Edit: also see Huawei CFO getting jailed etc etc. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-05/huawei-cf... China answered....with hundreds of billions in market cap for Apple.

And what if Qualcomm had lost this lawsuit? I’m sure there would be people saying, “This is a political move against an American company. No way would a Chinese judge rule in favor of an American company right now.”

apple can buy QCOM by lunch time so market cap is important. Next, a phantom firm worth $5 can sue MSFT in China

Re: Qualcomm wins preliminary China import ruling against some iPhone models

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Post by velosol »

mtgx wrote: post #4

In related news, Qualcomm seems to be shutting down its Centriq division, which China announces its own similar chips. Coincidence? https://www.theinformation.com/articles/qualcomm-lays-off-26... ? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/10/qualcomm_layoffs/ AMD made the same "devil's deal" with China, essentially giving away their IP for a small price. It's interesting how China is now basically telling foreign compan…

The Economist has a brief piece in its current issue [1] that points at actions like that not being a coincidence but rather part of China's overall push to grow more technology at home.

[1]: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/12/01/chip-wars-china...

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