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Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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$0.00 Techcrunch, Twitter, YouTube, Digg, Facebook, news.yc, etc. are all extremely effective places to create buzz for no cost.

Unless you're building the next social news site or a bittorrent client, this is the wrong initial audience for your product. You want to find people that are actually in your target demographic, not the fickle digerati that try 10 new web services a day but never stick around at any of them. You want your initial customer base to be your target demographic because their initial feedback will help shape future iterat…

There are also a lot of more specialized communities where you can promote an idea for free amongst the appropriate target market by simply joining a particular corner of the blogosphere, joining certain forums, etc. So this idea may still be applicable.

Then again, if you are producing a website targeting automobile tire wholesalers, no amount of free online promotion is likely to have the desired effect.

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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Ignore standard (and popular) BS of "promotion through blogging and social networks", that's a myth. A successful blog is a business on its own. PR companies have full-time bloggers, Facebook "friends" and even wikipedia editors to spread the word about their clients, and it will cost you serious money: on par with several full-time yearly salaries. And don't expect to become a Facebook after spending that much. Building a brand in consumer-space entertainment business costs millions of dollars (and some luck, still)

That is a bitter truth, assuming you're after building a sustainable business. That doesn't apply to you, however, if all you need is to get a couple thousand "early adopters", living mostly in Bay Area, create some awareness of what you're doing in SV-circles, hopefully reaching an ear of a potential acquirer so you could flip it for a few million, then hire a good SV-connected PR firm: that will cost you $10-20K/month or get admitted to YC and their PR machine will do the trick.

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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Your all living in dreamland. No one is going to really give a toss about an article here or there, in whatever blog or whatever advert they see. The point is: The internet works a specific way. People who are 'in need' can find that on the net by 'search'. These are the only people that are worth targeting because they are the only ones who give a shit about what your selling/offering. The point is very simple. If y…

Couldn't agree more. Rather than spend time posting your link to 1,200 social bookmarking sites and writing press releases, spend your time on SEO. This is the #1 way people will find your site.

Basic SEO is very simple. Choose good titles first and foremost. Make sure your homepage links to all of your most important content. Make sure google can spider all of your content, and create a sitemap.xml to help with this.

Secondly, setup google analytics, and keep an eye on how people are landing on your site from search engines. A high bounce rate is sometimes inevitable, but try to build you pages in a way to entice the user to keep clicking to other pages.

Make signup super simple (I'm sure 90% of people on Hacker News disagree, but OpenID is going to confuse 99% of internet users).

To really get your SEO kicking in, have links to your site from other sites. A good widget strategy can help with this. If someone puts your widget (and you build the links properly) on their blog, and their blog has 2,000 posts, you instantly have 2,000 links to your site. If this blog has high pagerank, great! Some of that pagerank will trickle down to you.

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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If you're selling things, you might consider an affiliate program. In one of my startups, I had a couple of hundred affiliates signed on before I launched by giving away free copies. It resulted in hundreds of thousands in income the week we launched. Most of the sales came from the top 20 affiliates.

Potential affiliates are not hard to come by and you only pay if they perform. Just pretend you are a customer, search for your product/service in Google and contact everyone who is on the first page as ads or natural search and give them a copy of your product and ask them to promote it if they like it in exchange for a healthy commission. They've got the traffic, and many of them probably don't know how to monetize it.

It also helps to suggest ways for them to promote your product. For instance supplying custom emails for them to send out to their list, promoting it in their blog, adding your product as an up-sell when their customers buy their stuff from them etc.

You can also setup things like cross-promotional auto-responder messages, where you have a message in your auto-responder promoting them, and they do the same for you. No commissions required.

It all depends on what you're doing. If I knew what you were doing, I'd have much better advice.

Despite what at least one person said, article writing is a great way of getting natural traffic and being slowly gaining traction in Google. It just takes time and has to be done right. Don't over post and make sure you post it to your own site and get it indexed by the search engines before syndicating it.

There are other things you can do as well, like buying domain names that have pagerank and putting content on them that references your site. Risky if you ask me. Google will eventually black-list everyone who does that sort of thing.

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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post #7

With social media its hard to get above the noise level. To start out, you should have a company blog. Also look for advertising coupons for Yahoo, MSN and Google. You need good analytics so you can tell what keywords/ads do the best. Only target search ads, avoid the spammy content networks when starting out. Once you have some traffic coming in, look at what users are doing, tune your website to try to increase con…

used cars ads, it is by google ads, and an option to add photos that cost $4 - freeusedcarsads.com

I hope you guys realize that the above comment is the OP answering questions about the site trying to get marketed, so there's no need to vote him/her down.

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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You really need to work backwards from the value of the customer. If you have something that directly monetises then you can calculate value of a register user and of a visitor. Back out your marketing budget from there.

However I am assuming you have a consumer app where it is very hard to calculate the value of a visitor/user. In that case you are looking at viral, social media, SEO and paid ads. Viral works if your product is intrinsically viral product (send to friend doesn't count). Social media works if have rich content (how to's, great photos, recent news). SEO is what you do if you can't do the first two (I know of one of the world's biggest travel social networks who never paid a penny on SEO). The problem with SEO is it takes a lot of time to build up traffic.

That brings you to paid advertising. I think paid advertising is great for getting everything kick started but the business model for paid ads doesn't stack up for free consumer apps. Hope that helps.

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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post #2

$0.00 Techcrunch, Twitter, YouTube, Digg, Facebook, news.yc, etc. are all extremely effective places to create buzz for no cost.

None of those sites create buzz.

Make your site worth talking about and you don't have to spend any money (at first).

Read "Made to Stick" (great book on the subject of sticky ideas).

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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Your all living in dreamland. No one is going to really give a toss about an article here or there, in whatever blog or whatever advert they see. The point is: The internet works a specific way. People who are 'in need' can find that on the net by 'search'. These are the only people that are worth targeting because they are the only ones who give a shit about what your selling/offering. The point is very simple. If y…

Here are a few examples of companies that didn't follow this path (at first): Google, Apple, Craigslist, Ebay, Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook, Youtube... I could probably think of more, but you get the jist.

SEO is important to a lot of businesses (especially ecommerce and UGC plays), but not worth early focus for a lot of others.

Re: What is the minimum budget to promote a site?

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Spend nothing, at first.

The first thing you need to do is create an "engine". Something where you can reliably introduce a user to it, and have that user ultimately invite at least 1 other user (on average). In modern hype-infused parlance, this is a "viral loop" (with a viral co-efficient of more than 1). But really, it's as old as the Internet.

You can achieve this in one of 3 ways:

1) Be surprising, controversial, funny, or useful. People always tell their peers about fabulous products.

2) Get scientific about viral marketing. Widgets, facebook apps, etc. This is hard for most businesses (but for others-- it's laughably easy... I know a guy who is serving up hundreds of millions of widget views on a product that essentially didn't evolve past the first 20-30 man hours of work).

3) Get smart about SEO (if your biz is a content play). This is really just a different flavor of viral marketing. Yelp, Digg, and other UGC sites have a great viral loop. Visitors come. Some create content. Content gets indexed. Indexing generates google traffic for new page, which brings in users. Rinse, repeat. Wait 2 years and you have a vast pile of indexed content.

If you can't do these, then you're stuck buying attention with time or money-- which scales VERY poorly unless you have a great opportunity for revenue/profit. If you can pull these off, then marketing dollars/time is just adding gasoline to a healthy little fire.

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