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GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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One interesting thing to note. You might've seen countless GoPro "clones," and might've been wondering why GoPro never seemed to assert their rights. What is said in Shenzhen is that original digital GoPros themselves were an off the shelf OEM product, and GoPro never bothered to buy the design rights from their OEM. Does anybody remember Daisy Photoclip from around year 2002? Their OEM had their hand in that. And ye…

There are countless X "clones" for any popular (and even unpopular!) consumer electronics devices. Apple certainly asserts their rights and yet you can still buy knockoff iPhones and even visit knockoff physical Apple Stores.

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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post #14

One interesting thing to note. You might've seen countless GoPro "clones," and might've been wondering why GoPro never seemed to assert their rights. What is said in Shenzhen is that original digital GoPros themselves were an off the shelf OEM product, and GoPro never bothered to buy the design rights from their OEM. Does anybody remember Daisy Photoclip from around year 2002? Their OEM had their hand in that. And ye…

There are countless X "clones" for any popular (and even unpopular!) consumer electronics devices. Apple certainly asserts their rights and yet you can still buy knockoff iPhones and even visit knockoff physical Apple Stores.

What do you want to say here? I don't understand.

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are countless X "clones" for any popular (and even unpopular!) consumer electronics devices. Apple certainly asserts their rights and yet you can still buy knockoff iPhones and even visit knockoff physical Apple Stores.

What do you want to say here? I don't understand.

Probably that it's a fight one can't "win". Better focus on the brand and making people aware of it and it's benefits.

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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Does all this stuff lately where companies are pulling out of china or the US or the US is arresting heads of companies etc feel like thucydides trap is just getting closer and closer?

If you look at the history of the world there was an apparent (and counter intuitive) acceleration in the rate at which borders and governments were shifting, largely due to war and revolutions. Then we hit about 1945 and suddenly - it all but stopped. The only very large change being the fall of the Soviet Union, which did not involve direct war nor even revolution.

Nukes have made war between major powers a thing of the past, until they can be contained. 'Modern' nukes make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like a joke. The 'Tsar Bomba' [1] is a nuclear weapon that was tested by Russia in 1961. Its yield, which was not at full capability, was more than three thousand times as powerful as Little Boy [2], the nuke that practically destroyed Hiroshima. You can't win wars against WMD.

A single missile that is failed to be detected or intercepted and you're looking at fatalities in the tens of millions. And there are thousands of these weapons operational and ready to fire today. Russia has even been developing a nuclear torpedo that's designed to create an artificial tsunami that would produce a devastating radioactive wave greater than 500 meters in height that would annihilate a target. The reason for a nuclear torpedo is to bypass all conventional anti-missile ballistic/laser/etc technology.

In my opinion the issue is relatively simple. If China's growth and development continues at even a fraction of its current pace they're going to become the most dominant nation in the world. This will change the world in unimaginable ways. The current powers on top are pretty happy with the status quo, and aren't ready to say goodnight just yet. Traditional war is not an option so I expect we're going to see a continuing increase in aggression on the two new fronts of war: economic and information.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are an infinite number of shades of grey between “slap brand on an OEM product” and “the full Apple”. Companies often shift their approach (in both directions!) over time, and it will vary for different product lines.

And "the full Apple" is still someone else makes the product (Apple purchases iPhones from Foxconn): https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/technology/iphone-china-a...

Yes but Apple also finances the factories and is deeply embedded. The system might just be the most advanced integrated supply chain on the planet.

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want to say here? I don't understand.

Probably that it's a fight one can't "win". Better focus on the brand and making people aware of it and it's benefits.

My point is that they never bought the right for the design from OEM from whom they bought their first digital cameras, and that OEM itself never bothered to limit access to the design as it makes no money to them.

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are countless X "clones" for any popular (and even unpopular!) consumer electronics devices. Apple certainly asserts their rights and yet you can still buy knockoff iPhones and even visit knockoff physical Apple Stores.

What do you want to say here? I don't understand.

> "might've been wondering why GoPro never seemed to assert their rights."

That it has nothing to do with asserting rights, how the original product was developed or anything GoPro has done since. It's just how the world works.

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably that it's a fight one can't "win". Better focus on the brand and making people aware of it and it's benefits.

My point is that they never bought the right for the design from OEM from whom they bought their first digital cameras, and that OEM itself never bothered to limit access to the design as it makes no money to them.

And my point is that has nothing to do with why there are cheap knockoffs as there are cheap knockoffs of all well known consumer electronics (fake iPhones even come out before the real iPhones!).

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And "the full Apple" is still someone else makes the product (Apple purchases iPhones from Foxconn): https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/technology/iphone-china-a...

Yes but Apple also finances the factories and is deeply embedded. The system might just be the most advanced integrated supply chain on the planet.

Sure, but plenty of companies actually assemble their own products (like say Samsung).

Re: GoPro to move U.S.-bound camera production out of China

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post #8

Does all this stuff lately where companies are pulling out of china or the US or the US is arresting heads of companies etc feel like thucydides trap is just getting closer and closer?

If you look at the history of the world there was an apparent (and counter intuitive) acceleration in the rate at which borders and governments were shifting, largely due to war and revolutions. Then we hit about 1945 and suddenly - it all but stopped. The only very large change being the fall of the Soviet Union, which did not involve direct war nor even revolution. Nukes have made war between major powers a thing o…

For a while the trend has been towards smaller nukes (called tactical nukes), not bigger ones like in the 60s. The rational being that smaller, more precise nukes have a lower threshold of usability. Destroying Beijing and killing 20M people is a solution of last recourse, and would be disproportionate in retaliation to a tactical nuke, or a conventional attack resulting in massive casualties.

One reference I could find: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/09/us-to-loosen...

[EDIT] Of course even these tactical nukes are way more powerful than the ones dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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