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Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

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Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#21
From the article:

> My initial impression is that the ROI does not justify the effort.

> It depends on how strongly users respond to the feature, because it'll create a noticeable amount of work for writers.

The author is probably correct about the ROI not justifying the effort, but I think UI design should also be considered as an input for whether users would respond to the feature. The UI as it stands is technically functional and easy to understand, but not exactly effortless or convenient to use. In particular, there's quite a jarring difference between the modes during switch, making comparison impossible.

An inline UI next to/within the content, with some logic to ensure the nearest content to the control stays at the same scroll-position during change would help a lot with this.

e.g. Expounder (linked in a sibling comment) looks to be a much nicer UI implementation from my quick glance at it.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#22
Nice idea of TLDR vs Detailed view, however to manually re-write the content suitable for the interface is too much effort. This would be useful in my opinion if AI summarizes and creates a TLDR for you. Perhaps that could be a useful browser plugin.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#23
Thanks for making this and for all the great pointers here. I have been taking notes for years to build something like this. I had come across a zooming UI concept from Microsoft which dealt with a similar idea (don't remember the details) back in 2012. I hadn't followed up with this after that.

Regarding the significant effort for writers I have been exploring a few options as that felt like the biggest drawback for this to catch on. I think we will soon figure out ways to make it less painful which will make it totally worth it

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#24

From the article: > My initial impression is that the ROI does not justify the effort. > It depends on how strongly users respond to the feature, because it'll create a noticeable amount of work for writers. The author is probably correct about the ROI not justifying the effort, but I think UI design should also be considered as an input for whether users would respond to the feature. The UI as it stands is technical…

> The UI as it stands is technically functional and easy to understand, but not exactly effortless or convenient to use. In particular, there's quite a jarring difference between the modes during switch, making comparison impossible.

Agreed about the jarringness. I actually had a section about how jarring it felt (I'm the author of the blog post) but scrapped it because I was spending too much time on the post :D

> An inline UI next to/within the content, with some logic to ensure the nearest content to the control stays at the same scroll-position during change would help a lot with this.

Cool ideas. I initially wrote off the UI idea as low ROI (as you can see in the post) but maybe my opinion would change if I saw someone really nail this feature. Also, the low ROI comment only applies if we have to manually markup the content. If we can automate that side of it, then that changes the ROI equation.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#25

This seems similar to Expounder, one of my projects: https://skorokithakis.github.io/expounder/ I like the idea of Parametric Press (given that I made something similar), but I prefer the granularity of Expounder.

Cool! I'll update the "Prior work" section.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#26
post #16

Even if this is a good idea, it seems like a slider is the wrong way to control it. You really only have a few discrete levels, and as a reader you probably always want to be able to tell which level you're at. So maybe some radiobutton like UI that's anchored to the window.

Yeah, I said exactly the same thing to myself in a section of this post that didn't make the final cut (I'm the author). I definitely agree that, if you put this in your UI, you'd have to create a sticky control pane that reminds the reader what mode they're in, and lets them bail out at any time. When a reader does bail, they should be looking at the same content as before. It shouldn't jump them to some other section.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#27
post #13

Here [1] is essentially the same idea and the Hacker News discussion (115 comments) [2] of it. [1] http://getcoleman.com [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14013996

Thanks. I'll update the "prior work" section.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#28

Just FYI, might be interested in Ted Nelson's old idea of StretchText. It was never really implemented, to the best of my knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StretchText

Thanks. I'll update the "prior work" section.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#29
Unintuitive and not very useful tbh. Seems like something that would be good at first glance, but a really bad idea once you dig into it.

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I would like to see some suggestions on the semantics of different levels of content detail. Because different authors could organize their articles in different ways such that it would be hard to navigate the information since there's no standard for what to expect.

Which leads to another issue which is that it doesn't really remove the hidden detail from the user's focus. There's no way to know which level of detail is correct for them. If you read and article and think "this doesn't make sense, there should be some more information" then you'd have to scroll through multiple levels (plus or minus one level) to make sure that it's the level of detail you're on and not the article that omitted that information.

And moving in between levels isn't easy either. It's not just certain sections, individual paragraphs seem to change from level to level. Which means that if you read a tldr view and you want more information, there's no way to gracefully add the new detail. You essentially have an entirely new article.

Perhaps the biggest issue is that I am not sure such a feature even if it was ironed out would be useful. I think readership detail is usually binary. Either someone wants a coarse overview, or they want the full story. I know that there are obviously exceptions like where there's a lot of fluff to a story and you wish they'd cut it out but that's typically the purpose of those articles. They're meant to be read that way. We already have things like table of contents and certain standards in writing that make navigating the details of an article pretty fast already without adding some kind of complicated ui into the mix.

I am not even sure that an author would want to put in all this effort and write an article in such a way. Writing is usually very purposeful and thinking about how to write something that makes sense at multiple levels of detail seems like it would be really troublesome.

As a side note, the background color option on their test example should not be a continuous range. The halfway value makes everything grey.

Re: Show HN: A UI That Lets Readers Control How Much Information They See

#30
I recently seen a trial of this concept on the BBC News website, where you could choose between in-depth and summarised, simplified coverage of various aspects of the story. It was at the section level, so you could read a detailed account of one part of the story but a summarised version of another.

I can't find a link to the story, but it was within the last couple of months.

In my case, I actually flipped between both versions to see the different ways it was covered.

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