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Post by intralizee »

fitmax wrote: post #259
intralizee wrote: post #254

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> Everything you base your comment on is a huge assumption. No, it's a huge assumption to create the "free will" theory with no evidence and then argue against the opposite position where I'm using what is observable in nature with science. It's like religious people that argue against people that don't believe in a god. > but I can definitely say that you’re putting a lot of belief in it being true without any real…

>Humanity makes progress when removing illusions from society and being rational. Society shouldn't be punishing persons who were unfortunate by the universe. Society should fix the problem of what resulted in a person having an undesired outcome and then rehabilitating the person back into society. Same goes for social, health, and financial problems. So if you believe in group selection has a large role in how soci…

I’m not making any mistake that I’m aware about from reading what I wrote. You’re implying unknown knowledge about me and when I haven’t even shared my opinion. Simply, I haven’t stated my view on if morals & ethics are ever cared for by people in power. I do believe humanity fundamentally relies on them and to reach the highest divine status for society in functioning and when the universe is without free will to everyone. Fundamentally I observe that important to the majority of people and who are religious. They are conditioned to see it as after death though.

Anyway cost of society is something I don’t even believe is worth pursuing a discussion about with me anyway. I have witnessed from my own personal experiences with how medical treatments are handled completely irrational to fixing my issue. I’m not fully aware to understand why but I assume some unknown agenda. I’m doubtful in any case, the persons going into professions from the start want that to be so.

China is interesting and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out their leaders operate with the knowledge of free will being an illusion. However it doesn’t mean they’re doing it how everyone would and with the same knowledge. Some people will treat the misfortunate as praedamnation and not care to make that go away. Believing birth into royalty of some sort is all that matters and shouldn’t change. However the deterministic universe has been progressing in the opposite direction of that.

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Post by drieddust »

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drieddust wrote: post #235

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That's bunch of balony. I have two children who are polar opposite in behaviour. How do you account for that?

Why would there be a need to a 'account for differences in behavior? Here is a very hypothetical scenario, I am struggling with: A parent shows a pattern of drinking an driving under influence. As luck had it -- nothing bad happened. Then the child, does the same (when already having a valid driver license) -- and a horrible accident happens. Is there some moral responsible that the parent carries? Is there criminal…

EDIT: My apologies for the angry tone but idea of reporting on every single deviation is not a good one. That's how you actually end up filling prison and creating dystopia.

> A parent shows a pattern of drinking an driving under influence. As luck had it -- nothing bad happened. Then the child, does the same (when already having a valid driver license) -- and a horrible accident happens.

Children definately imitate parents. But I think your argument was the opposite. Parents reporting on Children's behaviour if they fall out of line.

> How far the accountability of a parent or a treating phycologist goes/overlaps with the accountability of the perpetrator of a heinous act.

World is a messy and scary place but trying to control for every variable might make it unlivable.

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Post by aagha »

fabrice_d wrote: post #60

A very approachable book on the topic by Giulia Enders is "Gut: The Inside Story of Our Body's Most Underrated Organ" ( https://www.amazon.com/Gut-Inside-Story-Underrated-Revised/d...

Enders does a great (and entertaining) Ted talk on the Gut here - https://www.ted.com/talks/giulia_enders_the_surprisingly_cha...

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Post by code_duck »

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I think the conversation about that came up with chronic fatigue. These days it’s used to describe mild hangover-like states, mostly. What people with celiac suffer is more like the confusion that comes with multiple sclerosis. As far as other people’s ‘brain fog’ I think they’re referring to a much more mild condition. Self described sensitivity to gluten is on the rise. Possibly some gluten intolerance is on the ri…

I recently learned about epigenetics and it's mind blowing . In a nutshell: the expression of a gene within an individual can change over their lives, and the changes can be inherited . There are multiple mechanisms of alteration and inheritance. The field is still in very early stages of research, but here are some paraphrases from Wikipedia to hook you: * Children born during the Dutch famine of 1944–45 were smalle…

Interesting. As far as heritability, my symptoms closely resemble my mother’s, who is also diagnosed with celiac.

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

e40 wrote: post #237
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> Theres always a choice, and choices have consequences. You're missing the point: you don't always have a choice about which choices are given to you , and that has consequences too.

Your reply and the parent, to me, encapsulate everything that is wrong with humans today. You are 100% right. The person to which you replied doesn't see the issue. This lack of empathy is causing so many cascading failures in human society. (To the GP of this reply, you might have misunderstood. I'm not really talking about you, personally, just using this short conversation as an example. Please don't take it perso…

Glad someone else pointed that out. That comment felt so inhumane and perfectly shows how people cannot appreciate the privilege they are born into. And privilege does not always mean money.

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Post by zackmorris »

beef234 wrote: post #171
beef234 wrote: post #168

The strain used is specifically: Lactobacillus reuteri MM4-1A (ATCC-PTA-6475)

Only commercial product I'm finding with this strain is Biogaia Gastrus, but please let me know if anyone locates it in anything else!

I have been using the same for a week for leaky gut and feel better. It also supposedly fights H. pylori (the bacteria associated with stomach ulcers). I think I may have picked up a bad strain of cow bacteria from young cheese such as cottage cheese and casein in overnight protein supplements. I began having IBS symptoms a few years ago but didn't know what they were. I also developed a sensitivity to peanuts around the same time, which may have transferred to legumes and nightshades, which triggered rather severe bouts of acne and tendonitis, which lead me on the journey towards leaky gut and remedying it with a low carb/keto diet. Some other things that have helped are psyllium husk powder and good old fashioned prunes. Today my acne is completely gone and my joint pain is reduced but I have some redness that will probably take months to fade.

I am noticing how important gut health is to overall health as I get older. I feel like maybe children express poor gut health in different ways, for example by asthma, allergies, type II diabetes, acne, ADHD/hyperactivity, autism, etc. It's looking like autoimmune diseases are tied to inflammation in the gut, which is exacerbated by poor western diets saturated with sugar/soy/corn and herbicides/pesticides like glyphosate (Roundup) which disrupt intestinal flora. This is an inconvenient truth for factory farming though so will probably take 5-10 years to show up in the literature and become mainstream knowledge.

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Post by ZeikJT »

intralizee wrote: post #236
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Theres always a choice, and choices have consequences. The kind of people who believe they had no choice are the worst because it shows a total lack of remorse for their selfish decisions. Phrases like “Look what YOU made me do” and “It’s societies fault” are warning signs that they learned nothing and you have a likely repeat offender on your hands.

> Theres always a choice, and choices have consequences. You're making the assumption of how your choice could have been anything different. That's an illusion and studying determinism is helpful in understanding why you're simply a biological input/output machine in a system being society. Even with the possibility of randomness existing as quantum mechanics suggests possible.. it wouldn't make a person have any cho…

As a fellow determinist I would point out that both believing and not believing in it are (non-religious) faith-based.

As for quantum mechanics allowing for the introduction of non-determinism; what part of the human body do people think they can influence? The brain is a neuron-neurotransmitter system, muscles expand and contract based on electrochemical signals, etc. Where in the mind-body connection is the mind/self capable of enacting this non-deterministic influence?

That being said, believing in a non-deterministic universe doesn't make life any less fun nor surprising. It does concretize my sympathy for people who are faced with unfortunate circumstances and carry out actions with unfortunate outcomes.

Are there times where I have thoughts that contradict that belief? Sure. I've accepted the highly contradiction-prone way the mind works. In the end it just makes the most sense to me.

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Post by starchild_3001 »

gnoppa wrote: post #210
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There's a whole group of people who're benefit from eliminating histamins, FODMAPs etc---and even any form of fiber, which probably you already know. Check out carnivores (again if you don't know yet): https://zerocarbzen.com/about-me/.. . there're facebook groups with many 10ks of members. Another is Dr Ray Peat adherents. They essentially cut out everything but orange juice and milk and meat... :) Curious sort of p…

Yes, going carnivore led to a massive improvement of my health. I am curious about LLLT, sounds a bit like wishful thinking to me but I'd like to try it out. Where would I get a cheap device to play around with and do you use it like stated in the selfhacked article?

I could never stick to carnivore long term, but I like the short term effects. Here's the LLLT device that I use: 1) Aweek® 96 Leds IR Illuminators Light IR Infrared Light LED infrared light CCTV Camera Night-vision Fill Light for CCTV Security Camera, Standard 45°

2) CMVision UL Listed Regulated Power Adapter, 12VDC, 2Amp for Camera, LED Light, IR Illuminator

both from Amazon. 850nm, 96 LED, 2amp 12V adapter.

Don't forget to close the light sensor in the lower left corner when you apply I apply it for 60 sec on upper-front head area every other day. The effects are pretty noticeable for me.

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Post by gnoppa »

starchild_3001 wrote: post #269
gnoppa wrote: post #210

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Yes, going carnivore led to a massive improvement of my health. I am curious about LLLT, sounds a bit like wishful thinking to me but I'd like to try it out. Where would I get a cheap device to play around with and do you use it like stated in the selfhacked article?

I could never stick to carnivore long term, but I like the short term effects. Here's the LLLT device that I use: 1) Aweek® 96 Leds IR Illuminators Light IR Infrared Light LED infrared light CCTV Camera Night-vision Fill Light for CCTV Security Camera, Standard 45° 2) CMVision UL Listed Regulated Power Adapter, 12VDC, 2Amp for Camera, LED Light, IR Illuminator both from Amazon. 850nm, 96 LED, 2amp 12V adapter. Don't…

Thanks, will check it out.
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