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Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram

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Re: Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram

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As one of those friends: I’m sorry I enjoy your company and want to cherish it as a good memory.

It depends on what you're taking pictures of. A lot of people seem to snap pictures of landscape, with or without other strangers in it. Those are the kind of pictures that aren't really durably interesting over the long haul. For well known places you can always find a pro who did a wonderful job capturing it. Now, if you're taking pictures of yourself and/or your friends, that makes perfect sense to me. As long as…

Landscape pictures can serve as a reminder of what you were doing, a sort of diary. Sure, you could find professional photos, but they won't be as rooted in your memory.

By looking at an old photo you remember where you were, what you were doing, and _why_ you decided to take the photo.

In other words, while a pro may be able to capture the location better, they won't capture your memory of visiting it as well.

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Never let anyone tell you that our current standard of "normal" is normal. It's only the pressures of the world that make teenagers retract from their parents.

Every emotion you've ever felt has been developed, whether by God or by hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection. Conscious thought may deliver us to emotion, but the emotion that you arrive at is something that has always been inside of you. When feel something isn't right, it's a good indicator that something isn't the way it's supposed to be. There's no reason that the world would be made in a way where mothers of teenage daughters are supposed to be miserable and shut out. There's no reason that the transition of growing from a baby to becoming an adult should not be smooth and untraumatic for all involved parties. What is the evolutionary advantage of making mothers miserable as a necessary part of producing offspring?

The idea that the family has become such a secondary consideration in modern society, to the point that this mother is advocating to others mothers about the opportunity to vicariously know your own child via the Internet... It's nothing short of heartbreaking.

Nothing is more certain in my mind than the idea that it doesn't have to be this way, and historically has not been this way. Kids have been sexualized and have to grow up too quickly. Kids have been made into tiny workers that do busy work for most of their childhood, away from their parents, because both parents have to work.

It's dystopian, disgusting and perverted

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one of those friends: I’m sorry I enjoy your company and want to cherish it as a good memory.

It depends on what you're taking pictures of. A lot of people seem to snap pictures of landscape, with or without other strangers in it. Those are the kind of pictures that aren't really durably interesting over the long haul. For well known places you can always find a pro who did a wonderful job capturing it. Now, if you're taking pictures of yourself and/or your friends, that makes perfect sense to me. As long as…

That last sentence is the habitually crossed line by these people.

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"I had never asked to see Paulina’s feed. I didn’t even know the name she used." I think therein lies a big part of the problem. She's feeling rejected that her 15 year old daughter won't listen to her acoustic cover of some band from her generation, but then doesn't express interest in this huge part of her daughter's generation. I don't have children so this is just armchair/backseat parenting which I understand is…

Well said.

Re: Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram

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Never let anyone tell you that our current standard of "normal" is normal. It's only the pressures of the world that make teenagers retract from their parents. Every emotion you've ever felt has been developed, whether by God or by hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection. Conscious thought may deliver us to emotion, but the emotion that you arrive at is something that has always been inside of you. When f…

Well said.

Re: Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram

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Never let anyone tell you that our current standard of "normal" is normal. It's only the pressures of the world that make teenagers retract from their parents. Every emotion you've ever felt has been developed, whether by God or by hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection. Conscious thought may deliver us to emotion, but the emotion that you arrive at is something that has always been inside of you. When f…

One theory exists that teenagers sleep cycle is offset from parents so that they can more easily socialise with each other without parental interference.

There could be plenty of reasons our hormones have evolved to make us act in ways that parents do not like.

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Never let anyone tell you that our current standard of "normal" is normal. It's only the pressures of the world that make teenagers retract from their parents. Every emotion you've ever felt has been developed, whether by God or by hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection. Conscious thought may deliver us to emotion, but the emotion that you arrive at is something that has always been inside of you. When f…

> The idea that the family has become such a secondary consideration in modern society, to the point that this mother is advocating to others mothers about the opportunity to vicariously know your own child via the Internet... It's nothing short of heartbreaking.

Great point. At the same time, I think there is an evolutionary pressure to rebel and fight against parental control. Those that were obedient and stayed quietly at home might have never ventured out to explore and discover new things. Eventually those that did, ended up spreading their genes better so to speak. If parent don't know what you're doing, they can't control you and tell you what to do.

Also I think at one level, parents might say, "don't stay up late", "don't date this or that person", "don't to go the dance club". But at the same time if the child listened and actually stayed in the house and were as obedient as the parent insists, they might eventually disappoint the parent.

Another thing that I observed is that some parents cannot handle this rebelliousness well and it spirals out of control. Ultimatums being uttered, other drastic measures, police being called etc.

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post #5

Millennials - the generation of photographers, because of smartphones and instagram. Does anyone else get irritated when their friends feel obligated to whip out their phone to take pictures when you're out and about in new locations?

I love taking photos whenever I go somewhere unusual or I do some new or special. Every few months or years I sit down and look through photos from different stages of my life, and I reminisce about those experiences. Sometimes it's by myself, but other times it's fun to revisit old photos of shared experiences with friends, which I think can help deepen bonds of friendship.

Edit: I thought this extra point would be interesting. Some of us also extend this behavior to certain online communications. Sometimes in group chats with friends different people will take screenshots of funny or amusing moments and share them with each other a few months later. Other times people will save a particularly humorous meme and re-share it to revisit any past discussion surrounding it.

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post #12

"I had never asked to see Paulina’s feed. I didn’t even know the name she used." I think therein lies a big part of the problem. She's feeling rejected that her 15 year old daughter won't listen to her acoustic cover of some band from her generation, but then doesn't express interest in this huge part of her daughter's generation. I don't have children so this is just armchair/backseat parenting which I understand is…

My mom listened to the Doors and Motown, my uncle played guitar like Eddie Van Halen. Grandparents listened to jazz. I thought it was all f’ing awesome and still do.

Re: Rediscovering My Daughter Through Instagram

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Never let anyone tell you that our current standard of "normal" is normal. It's only the pressures of the world that make teenagers retract from their parents. Every emotion you've ever felt has been developed, whether by God or by hundreds of thousands of years of natural selection. Conscious thought may deliver us to emotion, but the emotion that you arrive at is something that has always been inside of you. When f…

I think your sentiment is well-meaning but maybe a bit dangerous. It's setting up an unrealistic expectation of how adolescence "should" be, which risks leading parents to blame themselves or their kids when it doesn't turn out that way. Because it's extremely unlikely to turn out that way.

Adolescents are frequently at odds with their parents for the same reason 3 year olds are famous for temper tantrums: because it is part of the normal development of the human mind. Infants make no distinction between themselves and their parents; adults understand the difference completely. It takes about 18-20 years for that to develop, and there are well-known milestones along the way.

Teenage/parent conflict is certainly not a new phenomenon. You can find examples in stories almost as far back as there are records of stories.

> Conscious thought may deliver us to emotion, but the emotion that you arrive at is something that has always been inside of you.

Emotion precedes conscious thought; a big part of growing up is learning how to use conscious thought to identify, understand, and manage emotions. For very young children, emotion can be terrifying; it's great to feel happy but suddenly they might feel bad, angry, have scary thoughts, etc.--and it's all unexpected and unexplained. Teenage years are difficult because an entirely new set of powerful emotions, related to love and sex, emerge and the teenage conscious mind has to learn how to deal with them.

> What is the evolutionary advantage of making mothers miserable as a necessary part of producing offspring?

The answer to this obvious: to improve the fitness of the offspring. Conflict with parents happens during adolescence because adolescents are learning to how to be independent adults, and that means challenging authority.

Much respect to moms, but evolution does not give a shit about the mom once the offspring develops reproductive ability. Evolution does not give a shit about anything, really; I would not look to evolution to explain why people should be good to their moms.

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