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Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by ekianjo »

Nasrudith wrote: post #5
ronsor wrote: post #2

The South Korean government's obessession with regulating video games is quite interesting.

I have heard some complaints about South Korea being a geritocracy - even by the standards of the US. I don't know the fine details but that sounds consistent with some of the other stuff like the porn ban. If they really are being run by a bunch of old men. I don't know nearly enough about the culture or context to know how true or widespread the perception is but it does sound consistent.

> South Korea being a geritocracy

Isn't that the case of most countries, at least in the West? If you look at the median age of most public officials (ministers and all), they are usually more likely to be in their 50,60s and 70s in some cases.

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by quackSpeak »

mirimir wrote: post #4

Off-topic question: What output does deleting the "I'm OK with being tracked" node give the site? The only possible answer here is "Yes", so does deletion mean null? But whatever, the site is usable after that, so hey.

The newspeak/doublespeak for cookies is such that placing users under surveillance without prior consent is fine, you just have to tell them after you start doing it. And after you tell them, you can just keep doing it, and they can leave if they have a problem with it. No one ever has to stop tracking anyone else, even if people ask nicely or tell you they aren’t okay with it. The only option is to close the window, clear cache and never come back.

Meanwhile, this has given way to lots of “dialogues” where the dictatorship asks you to mark a check box for how you feel about being tracked, which is of course tracked. The deception being that even when you reply “NOT OK” there is no real effect. The pixels are there. The cookie is there. You are on camera, being recorded for QA purposes. This call will be reviewed for training purposes.

This differs from opting out of mailing lists, where they stop emailing you. Opting to respond with disdain for tracking does nothing to change whether you get watched.

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by AlexCoventry »

nyolfen wrote: post #6

when i was a kid, i thought the stuff about freedom in rhetoric about america was silly and nebulous, but as i get older it seems more true. don't get me wrong, i hate the surveillance panopticon, drug war, and permanent security state as much as anyone else, but at least the government doesn't put you in jail for cheating at video games.

They'll put you in jail for accessing a public url structure in an unintended manner, though, under the CFAA. To me that's a bigger deal.

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by mirimir »

quackSpeak wrote: post #12
mirimir wrote: post #4

Off-topic question: What output does deleting the "I'm OK with being tracked" node give the site? The only possible answer here is "Yes", so does deletion mean null? But whatever, the site is usable after that, so hey.

The newspeak/doublespeak for cookies is such that placing users under surveillance without prior consent is fine, you just have to tell them after you start doing it. And after you tell them, you can just keep doing it, and they can leave if they have a problem with it. No one ever has to stop tracking anyone else, even if people ask nicely or tell you they aren’t okay with it. The only option is to close the window,…

Yes, I get that.

But I am curious about what shows up in their log.

I'd love to send "fuck no", but have no clue how one might do that. And I'm guessing that "yes" is the only possible value.

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by yongjik »

pm90 wrote: post #8
ronsor wrote: post #2

The South Korean government's obessession with regulating video games is quite interesting.

I wonder if their obsession with video games (and I say this in a positive sense) will be a competitive advantage in the future. Like the Mecca for esports, where people can make a living in the industry instead of treating it as "silly nerd fantasy hobby" like here in the US.

Not "in the future", more like right now. South Korea had an e-sports broadcasting channel since 2000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGN_(TV_channel)

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by intrarTrode »

mirimir wrote: post #15
quackSpeak wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The newspeak/doublespeak for cookies is such that placing users under surveillance without prior consent is fine, you just have to tell them after you start doing it. And after you tell them, you can just keep doing it, and they can leave if they have a problem with it. No one ever has to stop tracking anyone else, even if people ask nicely or tell you they aren’t okay with it. The only option is to close the window,…

Yes, I get that. But I am curious about what shows up in their log. I'd love to send "fuck no", but have no clue how one might do that. And I'm guessing that "yes" is the only possible value.

Joke's on you. That widget never gets logged. It's a placebo.

More likely, duration of stay, IP and cookies cross-referenced from other sources are the only things they look at.

Instead of recording your response as to whether you enjoy getting kneecapped, they just let you scream into a sound-proofed vacuum. But hey, at least you're not bound and gagged.

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by yipbub »

mirimir wrote: post #15
quackSpeak wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The newspeak/doublespeak for cookies is such that placing users under surveillance without prior consent is fine, you just have to tell them after you start doing it. And after you tell them, you can just keep doing it, and they can leave if they have a problem with it. No one ever has to stop tracking anyone else, even if people ask nicely or tell you they aren’t okay with it. The only option is to close the window,…

Yes, I get that. But I am curious about what shows up in their log. I'd love to send "fuck no", but have no clue how one might do that. And I'm guessing that "yes" is the only possible value.

Other than maybe as a statistic it's probably not recorded.

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by yongjik »

Nasrudith wrote: post #5
ronsor wrote: post #2

The South Korean government's obessession with regulating video games is quite interesting.

I have heard some complaints about South Korea being a geritocracy - even by the standards of the US. I don't know the fine details but that sounds consistent with some of the other stuff like the porn ban. If they really are being run by a bunch of old men. I don't know nearly enough about the culture or context to know how true or widespread the perception is but it does sound consistent.

Only 70 years ago, South Korea was a dirt-poor agricultural country whose major export items were rice, seaweed, and the likes.

Before that it was a Japanese colony, and before that it was a die-hard confucian kingdom that would out-Confucius contemporary China.

Old moralities die hard. (Think of how racism persists in the US, 150+ years after the Civil War.) It didn't help that we imported right-wing American Christian ideology wholesale after the Korean War. :/

Re: South Korean law to punish boosters passes in the National Assembly

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Post by zik »

nyolfen wrote: post #6

when i was a kid, i thought the stuff about freedom in rhetoric about america was silly and nebulous, but as i get older it seems more true. don't get me wrong, i hate the surveillance panopticon, drug war, and permanent security state as much as anyone else, but at least the government doesn't put you in jail for cheating at video games.

From where I live (not in the US) the US doesn't look particularly good as far as civil liberties go. Not that my country (Australia) is great either. We're just messed up in different ways.
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