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Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except there was no accusation of guilt by association. An association was made, yes. What is the accusation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy#Guilt_by_a... The comment effectively accused the doctors of charlatanism.

Read it again. You are equating scientology and dianetics to charlatanism, not the author of the inital reply. He/She simply stated "x is like y". Why did you flag my other responses, which correctly pointed out that you are the one making the fallacy of guilt by association, not the author?

Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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I'm struggling to see what's new here -- this has been known for decades. Just look into any decent book on myofascial release massage, or rolfing, or somatic meditation -- our long-term emotional states, repression, etc. directly affect our muscles, posture, digestion, back pain, etc., and releasing those emotional states can be achieved via a combination of psychotherapy to address the emotional sources, and massag…

I'd be interested to read more about this -- can you recommend any references, particularly regarding benefits for performance?

Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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> Yet if a bad day can cause a headache, why can’t many bad days cause more serious physical problems, even decades later? Wow. That's quite a leap.

Not really such a leap. It’s pretty well-known[1] that unmanaged long-term stress leads to physical ailments (some of which can be deadly serious), including - Anxiety - Depression - Digestive problems - Headaches - Heart disease - Sleep problems - Weight gain - Memory and concentration impairment [1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-manageme...

I'm not impuning the conclusion but the awful logic used to reach it. This is tentamount to saying, "a good meal of delicious food can lift one's spirits, therefore eating a rich diet everyday will make one happy!"

Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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Sometimes people on HN recommend the book "The Body Keeps Score" by Bessel van der Kolk. Anyone read it? Thoughts?

I’ve written about this on here numerous times, it’s changed my life.

Here’s one of the threads where I mentioned it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18573069

Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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post #20

Yeah this is Dianetics i.e. Scientology! I'm not supporting them at all, they are a cult, but the the original basis for Scientology was Dianetics and it's related to this.

"it's related to this". It sounds similar, maybe, but that doesn't mean that it's the same thing. To glibly conflate this with Scientology is very sloppy thinking. Scientific progress calls for ideas and evidence to be evaluated on their merits . Accusations of "guilt by association" when a particular idea happens to vaguely resemble something else that has been debunked aren't part of that.

Unless looked at Dianetics at all, and it's historical weirdness, I'm going to refer to your response as 'glib' if anything.

If you did, you'd see there are glaringly obvious relationship between what is discussed in the article, and the basis of Dianetics; not just 'similar' they are effectively describing the same thing.

" resemble something else that has been debunked aren't part of that."

'Dianetics' has not been debunked so much as it hasn't been studied because it's full of all sorts of things that don't make sense (it would be pointless). But - there are some interesting and possibly valid points in there, for example - the idea described in this article. And consider that everything in psychology seems to be 'debunked' as we still don't have a good framework for understanding the human mind. To boot - most psychological 'science' can't even be reproduced in 2018. And I literally mean most [1].

Dianetics is mostly nutbars, but the similarity between what is described in the article, and what was popularized by Dianetics long ago is not superficial, it's quite strong. It doesn't matter that L Ron Hubbard was a hustler.

[1] https://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-...

Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except there was no accusation of guilt by association. An association was made, yes. What is the accusation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy#Guilt_by_a... The comment effectively accused the doctors of charlatanism.

No, I did not accuse the doctors of charlatanism.

I said there was an obvious relationship between some of the underpinnings of Dianetics and what is described in this article.

This is patently obvious to anyone who's read Dianetics, and the article.

I don't support Dianetics overall as anything reasonable because it's mostly rubbish, but again, some of the ideas expressed in there are nary identical to what is described in the article, which is just a fact.

Not everything is black and white: a lot of current psychology is scientifically rubbish, and a lot of ideas postulated in the past by not-so-straight people are at least interesting, and may have shades of validity.

Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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In vipassana meditation the meditator focuses on sensations on the body from head to toe, systematically moving down top to bottom and noticing the sensations in each part - head, eyes, ears, nose, shoulders etc. when thoughts arise you notice the sensations they create and over time you develop a map of thoughts to sensations. as you meditate some past traumatic experiences may arise and you may start to mentally react to it, but you notice that thinking about that particular insult from the past may just be causing this discofmrting sensation in some part of the body and you are reacting to the discmfort/pain caused by that. by training your mind to maintain equanimity, you realize that all these thoughts are doing is creating a sensation and causing you to react, and over time you can become a little more detached to it. what is weird though about these sensations though is that there might be these knots tied up in your chest, and by focusing on the pain of these knots you start to release a lot of old memories that caused you some kind of pain in the past. the pain of those memories are stored as sensations in the body. if your in a bad situation in your life mentally and psychologically it will absolutely manifest itself in terms of physical symptoms. additionally I have found that the combination of meditation and any kind of drugs - marijuana or psychedelics can cause of a lot of that trauma to be released.

Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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>> And while this team's results speak for themselves in certain cases, I'd be interested to hear about the patients who it isn't effective for and where they're left after. The others are left out in the cold.

So, I work in psychiatry and have worked on many types of units for various reasons over my career. My impression is the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction that the vast majority of patients left in the cold are those who do have mental health problems. For a lot of these patients, it's not just that the physical symptoms are unexplained, it's that they don't make physical sense. For example, the same a…

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Re: Some unexplained physical symptoms may be caused by unresolved emotional trauma

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I’ve been testing this hypothesis - as best as one possibly can without conventional medical support - for the past few years.

I’ve found that with persistence, emotion-based therapies are effective at bringing about healing of chronic physiological illnesses.

Prior to that I’d spent several frustrating years seeking diagnosis for conditions that were debilitating but not apparently identifiable or treatable.

To me they manifested as chronic muscle and joint pain, digestive issues, fatigue/lethargy, skin conditions, signs of inflammation. Medical tests found only mild deficiencies of Vitamin D and iron, with recommendations to treat with diet or supplements but otherwise nothing wrong. Yet the pain and fatigue was debilitating and made it impossible to live a normal life.

In desperation I turned to unconventional therapies and came across a set of techniques that seek to identify and resolve traumas/complexes/phobias stuck in the subconscious mind.

I’ve been undertaking these practices consistently for about 6-7 years now, and slowly but surely my symptoms are subsiding and all aspects of my life are improving.

Why does has it taken so long?

It turns out there was a huge amount of emotional baggage to work through. Not obvious stuff like childhood abuse; just a lot of unpleasant experiences that began from being an anxious child, and snowballed as life progressed.

I’ve now worked through several thousand instances of trauma from throughout my life. Much of it is minor or seemingly trivial, and some of it is profound, but it all seems to play a role, and the process of identifying/understanding/resolving it is directly correlated with the alleviation of my symptoms.

I’m now quite certain that this concept would have a huge impact on the medical world if it were to be embraced by the mainstream, but there’s huge resistance to it so it seems set to remain confined to the fringes for a long time to come.

Recently there's been coverage (on HN [1] and elsewhere [2]) of Dr. Gabor Maté, a veteran physician who has studied the role of trauma in addiction and chronic illness. He advocates the position that there is near enough to a perfect correlation between chronic illness or addiction and trauma. From my own experience and from what I've observed in other people I know, this rings true.

I'm not sure what it will take for this notion to be embraced more widely and researched more deeply, but it seems pretty important.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18497985

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUGGNPAK6uw

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