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Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by intralizee »

theprotocol wrote: post #190
intralizee wrote: post #121

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I think the people who believe in free will can understand the notion of free will doesn't exist. They just have a problem with their ego and will not let go of the satisfaction the idea brings to them.

I'm not sure which discussion branch to reply to you on. But I would like to put forth the argument that people get closer to gaining the required awareness that would make them free as time passes and they gain experience. This is similar to limits in math. That is not to say that everyone moves in that direction at the same speed - that part is indeed out of one's hands. But it is undeniable that experience increas…

I think the assertion you make is flawed. Just because you've reached a point in time where you had experienced a great number of events and variables. Does not mean you are capable of having any will in how you're shaped into gaining a freedom or awareness that is truly your own.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by theprotocol »

intralizee wrote: post #191
theprotocol wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure which discussion branch to reply to you on. But I would like to put forth the argument that people get closer to gaining the required awareness that would make them free as time passes and they gain experience. This is similar to limits in math. That is not to say that everyone moves in that direction at the same speed - that part is indeed out of one's hands. But it is undeniable that experience increas…

I think the assertion you make is flawed. Just because you've reached a point in time where you had experienced a great number of events and variables. Does not mean you are capable of having any will in how you're shaped into gaining a freedom or awareness that is truly your own.

That's a valid view, but I don't think it's possible for us to settle this definitively. I will think more on why I seem to find that free will is real.

Just to clarify my view: I think there is a threshold of experience beyond which one becomes "formed" (as in, the word formative). Beyond that point, I think free will, and consequently, personhood is real and we're not just automatons. This is not a new argument; I just wanted to clarify my view.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by wolco »

atomical wrote: post #100
starchild_3001 wrote: post #96

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There's a whole group of people who're benefit from eliminating histamins, FODMAPs etc---and even any form of fiber, which probably you already know. Check out carnivores (again if you don't know yet): https://zerocarbzen.com/about-me/.. . there're facebook groups with many 10ks of members. Another is Dr Ray Peat adherents. They essentially cut out everything but orange juice and milk and meat... :) Curious sort of p…

It's a great option for people obsessed with pseudoscience I suppose.

For a number of people the earth being round was pseudoscience until it wasn't

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by throwaway487551 »

What kind of fucking bullshit is this? Autism is a spectrum of compensating behavioral patterns that emerge as the way to diminish unusually high emotional stress (which is also a spectrum) due to genetically transmitted "imbalances" in a brain's structure (and/or biochemistry). So, nowadays every kind of fucking bullshit deserve the label "working hypothesis" instead of "gross incompetence"?

BTW, autistic spectrum disorders are "hijacked" the most stable evolutionary strategy of "good looks" - quiet village beauties are carrying these alleles (presumably, product of inbreeding).

There is no coincidence, that ASDs affects mostly boys. Motherly instincts, it seems, diminish (or compensate for) behavioral deviations.

If one could come down to earth from the Ivory towers of abstract bullshit and look at the real world, the answers are out there.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by partiallypro »

OliverJones wrote: post #30

Running this kind of article in a general-audience magazine takes a lot of guts (no pun intended) after all the trouble caused by another article about autism. That was a bogus paper in The Lancet in 1998 published by Wakefield et al. That paper, proven false, asserted a connection between Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine and autism. But the effects of that paper linger on among conspiracy theorists. Let's hope this one…

Sure, but I think people taking a probiotic is on net, much much much less damaging than people not vaccinating. I think a lot of studies show your gut reject most OTC probiotics or they are DOA and thus don't work.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by intralizee »

theprotocol wrote: post #192
intralizee wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the assertion you make is flawed. Just because you've reached a point in time where you had experienced a great number of events and variables. Does not mean you are capable of having any will in how you're shaped into gaining a freedom or awareness that is truly your own.

That's a valid view, but I don't think it's possible for us to settle this definitively. I will think more on why I seem to find that free will is real. Just to clarify my view: I think there is a threshold of experience beyond which one becomes "formed" (as in, the word formative). Beyond that point, I think free will, and consequently, personhood is real and we're not just automatons. This is not a new argument; I…

Understood. I enjoy the chance of enlightenment whenever possible. I'm doubtful if you will ever make me switch sides because I've thought deeply about this topic than most I assume because of misfortune by birth. I think the world would be greatly better of a system if the majority viewed reality similar to me and how there is no free will. Anyway have a good night!

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by grahamburger »

intralizee wrote: post #176
mrob wrote: post #174

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If criminals can't be blamed for their crimes because they had no choice, then by the same reasoning authorities cannot be blamed for punishing them.

Yes and what is your point? We should still try to push humanity further. It's like how people once viewed the world as flat. We need to keep dismantling illusions and get closer to where humanity can be the very best to all.

How can we choose to push humanity further if we can't make choices?

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by jeena »

75dvtwin wrote: post #163
test6554 wrote: post #116

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Theres always a choice, and choices have consequences. The kind of people who believe they had no choice are the worst because it shows a total lack of remorse for their selfish decisions. Phrases like “Look what YOU made me do” and “It’s societies fault” are warning signs that they learned nothing and you have a likely repeat offender on your hands.

I do not know how to express this in civilized terms. But I feel that biological parents that raised children, who later on become evil and take other people lives -- are responsible, some how. I am mentally, far from being contempt, with all these psychopaths (who (most of them), also have seen at some point in their lives, have seen a professional phycologist, regularly) -- go and kill defenseless kids or church/sy…

But more often than not it's not the parents or phycologists/physiatrists wrong doing which leads to someone doing something awful. How would you even determine that?

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by acover »

theprotocol wrote: post #188
acover wrote: post #93

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Do you think a survey of people with similar problems would have helped narrow down effective treatments? What about instead of sampling randomly selecting individuals to try a treatment? I'm often overwhelmed by the amount of information about options out there.

I think you'd have to reduce the problem set/space for that to be effective (which is a very similar concept to reducing how you define your state space in AI, if you're familiar with that). If the problem set has too many variables, I think it becomes too challenging to analyze. My approach is to rely very heavily on heuristics in order to screen potential treatments. I wrote some steps describing how to do that els…

Yeah, I guess I really don't have a handle on the complexity.

Your heuristics seem useful. I've been just trying stuff for a month and seeing how they go. Trusting the professionals to guide me in semi-useful directions.

Thanks.

Re: Gut bacteria may offer a treatment for autism

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Post by intralizee »

grahamburger wrote: post #197
intralizee wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and what is your point? We should still try to push humanity further. It's like how people once viewed the world as flat. We need to keep dismantling illusions and get closer to where humanity can be the very best to all.

How can we choose to push humanity further if we can't make choices?

Acknowledging illusion and reality is pushing humanity further. Society is currently structured based on an illusion.
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