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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by synotna »

ishwarn wrote: post #262
feanaro wrote: post #49

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- Yes, Firefox does support Containers, which are a very innovative privacy feature allowing you to maintain separate browser sessions (cookies, site preferences, ...) towards different websites inside a single browser instance.[1][2] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers#w_what-are-c... [2] https://www.thechiefmeat.com/guides/containers.html

I tried this and what I couldn't figure out is: How can I keep my containers separate so that when I click on a link from an external app, it opens in the most recently active container? Similar to multiple profiles in Chrome. I couldn't figure this out and feels like a dealbreaker with the browser behaviors I've adopted.

Tabs open using the container they were opened from

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by richjdsmith »

Yoric wrote: post #124
vrazj wrote: post #73

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Pocket is also easy to implement as an extension. In fact, it is an extension. But they bundled it with the browser.

And most people seem to be very happy about it.

Person here.

Very happy indeed. I discovered Pocket as a result of it being integrated and have been a very happy user ever since.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by oAlbe »

antoineMoPa wrote: post #224
jeswin wrote: post #92

Taking users away from Google is still a big ask. Google has been thoroughly anti-competitive in this space - they deliberately downgrade the experience in non-Chrome browsers across many properties. For example, typing "GOOG stock" in Chrome/Android brings up a whole lot of details not found with Firefox/Android. There's no technical reason to do this, and they should be pulled up for abuse of monopoly power. Google…

Just downloaded Firefox on Android following your advice. I'm a heavy firefox user on the destkop, but I rarely think about installing firefox on my cellphones since 1. Firefox in Firefox OS was slow and it gave me a feeling that firefox was not for mobile (but I guess it's not true anymore) 2. The fact that Chrome is the default browser and I generally don't install many apps. The fact that it is the default on Andr…

> Firefox in Firefox OS was slow and it gave me a feeling that firefox was not for mobile (but I guess it's not true anymore)

I genuinely don't understand how Firefox on mobile is slow. I hear this complaint often (along with the complaint of Firefox on desktop not being able to run certain websites, which also never occurs to me), but for how much I try, I never managed to make Firefox on mobile (android) slow. There were a couple of days not long ago (we are talking weeks) were after an update the browser did get indeed a little slow, but it was still usable, and it got fixed very quickly.

I use the hell out of my Firefox, both on desktop and mobile. I abuse it in all sorts of ways, and I am extremely demanding of it, yet it never breaks a sweat. Right now I have more than 100 tabs open in my Firefox on android - can't tell the exact number because when the 100th tab is opened, the number just becomes an infinity symbol - which is nothing more than average for me, I can easily get to 350, and it still opens and loads up instantly (at the time of the performance problem mentioned above I had ~260 tabs open).

Am I just lucky? Do the performances/usability change so vastly from phone to phone and person to person?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by [deleted] »

saagarjha wrote: post #320
lern_too_spel wrote: post #318

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It is trivial to prove that anything that a code generator can emit can be translated into something that an interpreter can interpret. Run the generated code through an interpreter. QED.

> It is trivial to prove that anything that a code generator can emit can be translated into something that an interpreter can interpret. That's not what we are trying to prove, though; we're trying to show that the generated code does not perform certain undesirable operations. this is much harder to do with dynamically generated code than static code.

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by no-s »

nindalf wrote: post #9

Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

lets not for get the political baggage of Mozilla: I would have liked to use firefox, but I'm boycotting it because of the awful smear of Brendan Eich supported and perpetuated by contributors to mozilla. A huge number of people would have to stand up and apologize for participating in that despicable mob action before I'd go back.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by anoncake »

hannasanarion wrote: post #230
Yoric wrote: post #196

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Since it's so critical to you, and if it's so obvious (I haven't checked, I take your word on it), would you consider submitting a patch to fix this issue? I can guide you on patch submission, if you need.

Patches have been submitted, tons and tons of times, and are always rejected. The maintainers say "it's the website's fault for not respecting the user's theming preferences" even as their own website does it . They've been saying that user theming will sweep over the web and this issue will fix itself since the year 2000.

> They've been saying that user theming will sweep over the web

Of course not, it's an OS feature. Not everything is about the web.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by anoncake »

bzbarsky wrote: post #210
hannasanarion wrote: post #120

Frankly, I don't want to choose firefox. Their priorities are utterly misplaced. I can't believe people don't talk about the dark gtk theming bug more often. It's one of the most common firefox questions on stackoverflow: If you have a dark gtk theme, like Arc-dark or Adwaita-dark, then Firefox randomly colors certain web page elements (usually text boxes) dark to match your desktop theme. Almost always resulting in…

There were lots of requests to have form controls "look native", which is why they were changed to use the desktop theme... One problem with that, as you note, is web pages that are setting a color but not a background color on elements, which is a web development 101 mistake. But there's just no way to win here: either you can use the OS theme for widgets and things fail when sites make this mistake, or the widgets…

Actually, there are two ways to win here: Follow the OS theme or follow the website CSS. But don't mix them, that's just stupid.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by hakfoo »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #178
calcifer wrote: post #132

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The whole reason Microsoft gave up on their own engine is because no one was using it, not even inside the company. Why would Edge suddenly become popular just because of a rendering engine change?

... because it is the default on Windows? The marketing effort of Chrome can be chipped away if "they are basically the same", which is a fair comment now that Edge is basically a glorified fork of Chromium

It will be interesting to see what message Google goes for to try to convince ChromiumEdge users to switch over.

A features-based approach seems iffy. They can't push speed or site compatibility anymore, assuming MS doesn't completely mishandle the build. Even tiny Vivaldi seems to remain coupled closely enough to Chromium releases that it will be hard to say "theirs is so out of date and missing the latest and greatest."

If they try to deliberately hobble ChromiumEdge, it seems like it wouldn't look good to regulators. "We didn't test Gapps on Gecko, oops, it breaks" is one thing, but it's hard to keep a straight face saying "it mysteriously works in our version of Chromium and not Microsoft's"

Many of the differences they'd likely differentiate on (the sticky Google login, telemetry) are not features for the consumer, they're the features that benefit Google and justify the cost of developing a browser.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by wutbrodo »

latexr wrote: post #288
wutbrodo wrote: post #272

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You can't run Firefox on an iPad? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-your-ip...

Seeing as browsers on iOS can’t have their own rendering engine, no, you can’t run Firefox on iPad in any meaningful way.

Ah gotcha. I'm not super familiar with iOS, and was vaguely aware of such limitations but not that specific one. BTW, I didn't intend my question as disagreement; it was a sincere question.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by notSupplied »

oAlbe wrote: post #323
antoineMoPa wrote: post #224

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Just downloaded Firefox on Android following your advice. I'm a heavy firefox user on the destkop, but I rarely think about installing firefox on my cellphones since 1. Firefox in Firefox OS was slow and it gave me a feeling that firefox was not for mobile (but I guess it's not true anymore) 2. The fact that Chrome is the default browser and I generally don't install many apps. The fact that it is the default on Andr…

> Firefox in Firefox OS was slow and it gave me a feeling that firefox was not for mobile (but I guess it's not true anymore) I genuinely don't understand how Firefox on mobile is slow. I hear this complaint often (along with the complaint of Firefox on desktop not being able to run certain websites, which also never occurs to me), but for how much I try, I never managed to make Firefox on mobile (android) slow. Ther…

Firefox on Android has a notable scrolling delay which drives me nuts. iOS guarantees that the point where your finger first makes contact remains under that finger as you scroll. Most good Android apps can deliver on this promise 99%, but for some reason, Firefox on Android does not.
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