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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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1. Iran had an election shortly after JCPOA. If that election would have led to a change in government, and under the new president, Iran had decided to abrogate from the agreement, would the argument then be "hey, fair enough, it was not a a treaty"? 2. The senate passing it makes no difference. The Republicans, controlling the House and the Senate, may well have been successfully in passing legislation withdrawing…

Strong political polarization in the US guarantees that going forward there won’t be continuity between presidents because there’s likely to be rapid shifts back and forth across the political spectrum

This means that rest of the world can't trust the US on any issue...

This decreases US power. Everyone knows that they just have to wait for the next president and everything will be reset.

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> USA will go to a foreign country and topple their government for violating US business interests (not laws). I, too remember the cold war. I don't see this happening today.

I mean Syria, Libya, Iraq are some recent examples. There could also be a discussion about Ukraine and how much did US help to topple the government there but that is a more speculative example. The middle eastern examples are quite clear cut. I do agree US is doing this less than during the cold war.

The US toppled Syria for violating US business interests, did I get that right?

When did Assad get overthrown, and why? And how? Very confusing comment.

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I mean Syria, Libya, Iraq are some recent examples. There could also be a discussion about Ukraine and how much did US help to topple the government there but that is a more speculative example. The middle eastern examples are quite clear cut. I do agree US is doing this less than during the cold war.

The US toppled Syria for violating US business interests, did I get that right? When did Assad get overthrown, and why? And how? Very confusing comment.

Assad getting overthrown was related to the big geopolitical confrontation with Russia (cold war has never really ended fyi). It was a move against Putin, trying to cut off his ally, as well as secure new pipeline to Europe to damage Russia economically.

Currently Germany, the largest EU economy, is dependent on Russian natural gas. Once you cut that dependency, Russia will get weaker and more isolated, which is in national interest of US I assume. US is also trying to make Germany less dependent on Russia so they can put on more pressure on Russian economy without damaging Germany's economy.

Google is your friend, there were plans for the Iran–Iraq–Syria natural gas pipeline and Putin intervened to stop the project as it was against Russian national interest. Also don't forget about Russian military base in Syria, getting rid of that in the process would be an added bonus from US point of view.

I did not specify business interests exclusively btw. It could be business interests or national interests (or combination of both, often when a country pursues regime change as a part of national interest, there are private companies that make profit).

Governments do not get toppled only for economical benefit, often it's mainly because of geopolitics, see cold war, both US and Russia were toppling over governments and installing puppet regimes in various countries as part of their fight for dominance. Economic/business interests are secondary most of the time.

Reasons for overthrowing Gaddafi were iffy at best also (I'd would actually like to turn the table and let you explain it to me, because I haven't heard any valid reason why we randomly started bombing Syria).

I'm not familiar with any important economic interests there, although they produce some oil and export it mainly to Europe (but it's small potatoes). So I'd assume it was geopolitics again, maybe Gaddafi was friend of Putin also.

Syria now is a complete mess with different local strongmen and terrorist groups competing for power, there's basically a constant state of anarchy and violence so I don't see how you can argue it was a good idea.

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But Iran is a sovereign nation, bravely resisting US/Israeli attempts to turn the entire Middle East into a flaming hell pit. Surely Canada should have told them to go and take a flying leap?

Canada has a sizable stake in the oil economy too, thus they also profit from US shenanigans. It's just easier to sit on the sidelines and let the US throw resources at that dumpster fire and than going and doing it themselves.

Canada's oil interests are opposed to the US's. The whole Trans Mountain pipeline was intended to export Canadian tar-sands oil to the swelling Chinese economy before fossil fuel exports have to be stopped.

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> It is wrong for the US to walk away from this treaty The Iran Nuclear Deal and the Paris Accords were not treaties. We have a process to ratify treaties in the US. The president approves a treaty and sends it to the senate to approve or reject. It's easy for president to make executive order agreements because it doesn't require approval from the senate (something Obama knew he couldn't get for either deal). But al…

No, by international law [1] (and U.S. law [2]) they are treaties [1]. U.S. is not the only country with the notion of ratification [3][5] (not a surprise). Generally, the U.S. distinguishes between "treaties", executive acts or acts of Congress agreements internally, but externally they are treaties. U.S. treaties are not permanent, and while the statement as ratified, it is law, the U.S. has broken a lot of treatie…

From that link, it is not a treaty in US law. The article uses the blanket term "treaty-related law", but the Iran agreement falls under the "Executive agreement" category. This is in part a long-standing presidential workaround for the similarly-long-standing Congressional unwillingness to bind the US to treaties. But it does come with a bit of deception of foreign partners, because it does not bind the US in the same way that treaties bind other countries under their own domestic law. One of many ways in which the US system is a bit dysfunctional.

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> If you want peace, you have to impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia as well. Funny how Israel never gets mentioned by anyone!

Well if there is anything the Middle East can agree on, it’s their hatred of Israel. Probably better for Israel that they fight amongst themselves.

Israel is a bunch of middle European people clinging to a mythology of an omnipotent real estate agent granting them land amongst a bunch of eternally warring tribes. It's not gonna end well. I just wish the U.S. would stay out of that bs.

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Well if there is anything the Middle East can agree on, it’s their hatred of Israel. Probably better for Israel that they fight amongst themselves.

Israel is a bunch of middle European people clinging to a mythology of an omnipotent real estate agent granting them land amongst a bunch of eternally warring tribes. It's not gonna end well. I just wish the U.S. would stay out of that bs.

>I just wish the U.S. would stay out of that bs

You mean the descendants of Europeans who clung to a mythology that the son of that same omnipotent real estate agent granted them manifest destiny over a continent owned by a bunch of tribes?

And whose support for Israel is based, in part, on the belief that Israel as a state has a role to play in ushering in the Apocalypse of the Book of Revelations and the second coming of Christ?

The phrase "not bloody likely" comes to mind. The US is in with Israel for reasons that go far deeper than geopolitics.

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What I'm posting under this thread is based on fact. So you want to criticize me for irrelevant things?

Literally every post you make here is on the subject of China as well. How much is the party paying you to shill this hard?

Posting like this breaks the site guidelines and will get you banned here regardless of what another commenter is doing. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this again.

There's plenty of explanation of https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... if you want to understand why we make a big deal about this on HN.

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Well, since you accuse me of "throw[ing] nuclear . . . around" when I said no such thing, I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not convinced that it is I who should improve the nuance of my position. Particularly since none of the links you've posted support your position. Enjoy the rest of your day.

torstenvl: U.S. Marine officer That tells all that is needed to know about your defensive and apologist position, as expressed in numerous posts. That's all right, if you work in murdering business for money, I guess you have to convince yourself you are the good guy. Its just that rest of the world doesn't buy it for quite some time

Personal attacks are not allowed on HN, regardless of how strongly you disagree with someone. If you post anything like this again we will ban you.

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Many are lost in technicalities here, if Canada has the right to arrest a businesswoman, if the US can stop a foreign company to do business with another country. Who cares? I'm partial to Iran because a multi-lateral treaty was signed. Iran stopped nuclear enrichment. In exchange, western countries pledged to provide economic relief and stop sanctions. It is said that Iran has been developing various weapons, but th…

Yes, the US was wrong to abandon the nuclear deal with Iran. But that's not the whole story with the Huawei CFO arrest. China and their state-owned and state-controlled companies are stealing trade secrets and military technology instead of developing it on their own. Chinese companies enjoy open access to Western markets, but Western companies are highly restricted in their access to Chinese markets. If Huawei illeg…

Huawei is not open access to US market.

NYT said NSA is hacking into Huawei's server steal information.

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