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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by accatyyc »

Improvotter wrote: post #243
nindalf wrote: post #9

Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

I'd use Firefox if I didn't have to enter my master password on MacOS every time I start the program. It integrates with keyrings on Linux, is it that hard to get it to work on MacOS which has more users? Also, does it work on Windows?

Never had this problem. How did you install/how do you launch it? Does it require root access for some reason?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by imtringued »

trendia wrote: post #87
Yoric wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An implementation of RSS baked into the browser? I'd be surprised. Do you have a source?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18626702

I don't know what intention you had when you posted that link but it clearly disproves that anyone uses the terrible built-in RSS reader in firefox.

Here, just take a look at the first response:

>Literally 99.99% of Firefox users did not use the built in RSS support[1].

>I love RSS! I also never used the built in Firefox RSS support because it was not very good. Mozilla also compiled a helpful list of alternative RSS readers for the 0.01% of users that used this feature and made it easy to export your feed list[2].

>[1] https://www.gijsk.com/blog/2018/10/firefox-removes-core-prod...

>[2] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/feed-reader-replacement...

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by pseudalopex »

shaki-dora wrote: post #28
aduitsis wrote: post #11

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I'm sure a lot of people around here won't be able to hear you over the sound of how Firefox somehow doesn't feel quite right on their macs.

Yeah... I dont quite understand how Firefox does invest into integration with third-party password managers, but not the one built into MacOS. Arguably Safari usage is comparable to Firefox in terms of staving off a Chromium monoculture. Safari usage on iOS is actually far more important right now to ensurage some semblance of compatibility.

Chrome also removed Keychain support. Apple restricted access to the necessary APIs.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by vatueil »

calcifer wrote: post #219
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #178

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... because it is the default on Windows? The marketing effort of Chrome can be chipped away if "they are basically the same", which is a fair comment now that Edge is basically a glorified fork of Chromium

> because it is the default on Windows? Which clearly didn't mean anything [1] for increasing market share. [1] https://ferdychristant.com/the-state-of-web-browsers-f5a83a4...

It's not nothing, it just wasn't enough by itself to overcome the competition.

In the web's short history we've already seen several browsers rise and fall. It's possible Microsoft may in the future repeat what Google achieved with Chrome if it can find a new edge to compete, pun intended.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by vram22 »

vram22 wrote: post #300
nunodonato wrote: post #189

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this is what I am doing now. Plus, opening facebook? BAM instant new container automagically open for me, to keep facebook in its own walled garden :D

Ha. Reminds of a quote, vaguely: In a world without Windows, something something doors (or Gates, or some other permutations of those). Though I don't remember the quote, I remember it being a good one.

Maybe: In a world without doors, we won't need Windows or Gates?

:)

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by collinmanderson »

Imagine someone from 2006, or even 2012 seeing the headline: "Microsoft kills closed-source IE successor, switches to open source codebase" and hearing that people are mad that IE('s successor) is dead and an open source browser has too much market share. :)

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by Improvotter »

accatyyc wrote: post #301
Improvotter wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd use Firefox if I didn't have to enter my master password on MacOS every time I start the program. It integrates with keyrings on Linux, is it that hard to get it to work on MacOS which has more users? Also, does it work on Windows?

Never had this problem. How did you install/how do you launch it? Does it require root access for some reason?

I'm talking about the master password of my Firefox vault or whatever it is called.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by dhimes »

mrguyorama wrote: post #268
dhimes wrote: post #266

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A little OT: How do you use nightly? Do you have a cron job that downloads it? Do you download it every day? Do you only occasionally download it? Or is there some other way? I'd love to use it more but last I checked they didn't offer auto-updates to it.

You download the nightly installer from mozilla's website, and then it bugs you to "Restart to update" everyday. I run nightly on many of my systems, but I don't update every day

OK thanks.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by collinmanderson »

kgwxd wrote: post #286
saagarjha wrote: post #53

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> Firefox on iOS doesn't do that either, but at least Firefox has its own tracking protection. Firefox on iOS can't do this, unfortunately :(

Which is why iOS should be avoided too. They may appear to be playing kind of nice now, but they won't forever. That blatant disregard for openness is a sure sign they're going to end up the same way, no matter what they say now.

> iOS should be avoided too

What would you suggest using?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by Elhana »

Yoric wrote: post #44
nindalf wrote: post #27

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Yes. I like Pocket, but I can't see why it shouldn't be an extension that can be removed.

Intellectually, I agree, but - it actually doesn't hurt; - market research indicates that most people actually love it.

Market research show that noone used RSS/legacy addons/all the other customization options, yet Firefox market share somehow plummeted after they removed all of it.

Literally everything I liked about Firefox is gone, so I have no reason not to use Chrome instead anymore. They are mostly the same, Firefox is just uglier than Chrome now and I can't change that anymore.

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