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Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Re: Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Post by cabaalis »

r00fus wrote: post #20
cabaalis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm involved in a study of vaccinations. One good thing I'm seeing is that many peds clinics, if you are a pure, down the line anti-vaxxer, will politely ask you to choose another provider.

How does this go, usually? They ask you to choose someone else then decline future appointments? Have you seen anything similar for urgent-care clinics?

I don't see this in urgent care. I am talking about peds. You bring your newborn in, but start refusing vaccinations. I have spoken in person with over a dozen clinics who categorize themselves as "no-refusal" clinics. They will medically defer, and in some cases allow refusal of STD vaccines. But a person who just doesn't want vaccinations will likely be disenrolled from the register.

Re: Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Post by jandrese »

What happened in Canada? You see charts like this with sub-Saharan Africa and Mongolia are lit up and that's no surprise, but then Canada shows up and you wonder what happened. They scored worse than the US at a healthcare metric! They scored worse than Mexico.

Is this one of those things where the Indigenous population has a real problem that is skewing the numbers for the entire country or did the government not believe in the vaccine for some reason?

Re: Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Post by asdkhadsj »

stonecraftwolf wrote: post #7
ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #3

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Maybe this is too off topic for here but I have always wondered why people are so angry at Anti-Vaxx people? Yes... the compromise our Herd Immunity, but don't they also serve as a "Canary in The Coal Mine", risking their own health so that the human genome can keep battling with and evolving natural defenses against disease?

Because they aren’t the canaries at all. Instead they volunteer their kids (and the kids who interact with their kids) as the canaries.

Furthermore, they risk infecting others who, through no fault of their own, rely on herd immunity. Such as those who due to allergies cannot take a certain vaccination, or who did take it but it was ineffective. Herd immunity protects more than just the ignorant.

Re: Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Post by subcosmos »

Viruses that cause hepatitis actually embed themselves WITHIN LDL Particles (the "bad" cholesterol) to transport around the body. In doing so, they hide from the immune system.

APOE it turns out, the Alzheimer's gene, ALSO predicts your risk for liver cancer ...... because this is the gene that the virus binds to while assembling into the particle. Hepatitis virus infections are strongly associated with heart disease!

https://medium.com/@InfinoMe/cholesterol-have-we-shot-the-me...

Re: Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Post by HarryHirsch »

thorin1 wrote: post #17
Animats wrote: post #15

Incidentally, if you live in SF, it's worth getting the vaccines for hepatitis A and B as an adult.

If you are living anywhere it's worth getting vaccines for hepatitis A and B.

Hep A is a waterborne disease. If you live somewhere with proper sanitation and don't have contact with sewage you are at low risk and the funds for the vaccine are better directed elsewhere.

Re: Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Post by gaustin »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #25
thorin1 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are living anywhere it's worth getting vaccines for hepatitis A and B.

Hep A is a waterborne disease. If you live somewhere with proper sanitation and don't have contact with sewage you are at low risk and the funds for the vaccine are better directed elsewhere.

For about $100 every 10 years, I'd rather be safer than sorry.

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Post by bluGill »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #19
bluGill wrote: post #12

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My mom is currently going through chemo for cancer. Her immune system is essentially zero despite being fully vaccinated. You bet I get angry: anti-vaxx people are trying to kill my mom and there is nothing I can do about it.

They're not trying to kill your mom. That may be the effect, but it's not the intent. They're trying to have their kids not be autistic. (You can claim that the evidence doesn't support that as a possibility. But it's still what their intent is.)

Someone shooting a gun randomly in the middle of a busy shopping mall might honestly claim they just wanted to hear a loud bang - yet there is no reasonable way to say their actions won't kill someone. Therefore they are trying to kill someone despite their stated intention.

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Post by sib »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #19
bluGill wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mom is currently going through chemo for cancer. Her immune system is essentially zero despite being fully vaccinated. You bet I get angry: anti-vaxx people are trying to kill my mom and there is nothing I can do about it.

They're not trying to kill your mom. That may be the effect, but it's not the intent. They're trying to have their kids not be autistic. (You can claim that the evidence doesn't support that as a possibility. But it's still what their intent is.)

That's like saying "I'm trying to make it dark by turning on the lights." You can;'t make excuses for them by saying that, even though they are recklessly endangering other lives, they're doing it under pretenses that are false, so it's ok.

Re: Viral hepatitis: A silent epidemic killing more people than HIV, malaria or TB

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Post by fzeroracer »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #19
bluGill wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My mom is currently going through chemo for cancer. Her immune system is essentially zero despite being fully vaccinated. You bet I get angry: anti-vaxx people are trying to kill my mom and there is nothing I can do about it.

They're not trying to kill your mom. That may be the effect, but it's not the intent. They're trying to have their kids not be autistic. (You can claim that the evidence doesn't support that as a possibility. But it's still what their intent is.)

I mean, people who attempt to pray away disease instead of seeking proper care has potentially good intent. But that doesn't make them any less negligent when their child dies as a result.
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