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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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True. The big difference is that users use Pocket but didn't use RSS.

Meaning the nontechnical set of users that don't go out of their way to disable telemetry, at least...

If you disable telemetry, Mozilla won't know about you. If you want Mozilla to cater for you, don't disable telemetry?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

- Yes, Firefox does support Containers, which are a very innovative privacy feature allowing you to maintain separate browser sessions (cookies, site preferences, ...) towards different websites inside a single browser instance.[1][2] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers#w_what-are-c... [2] https://www.thechiefmeat.com/guides/containers.html

I tried this and what I couldn't figure out is: How can I keep my containers separate so that when I click on a link from an external app, it opens in the most recently active container? Similar to multiple profiles in Chrome. I couldn't figure this out and feels like a dealbreaker with the browser behaviors I've adopted.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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> One problem with that, as you note, is web pages that are setting a color but not a background color on elements, which is a web development 101 mistake. If it works correctly for 99.9% of users (those who aren't running linux, with firefox, with a dark GTK theme), than it isn't a mistake on the part of the website, it's a bug on the part of the browser. User theming is not about to sweep over the web. It didn't ha…

> AFAIK themes still don't exist in Windows and OSX. They exist just fine on Windows. See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13768/desktop-theme... for example, and there's a number of themes that ship with Windows by default, including several "dark" themes. On Mac I am not aware of themes per se, but there are accessibility options that have similar effects. Again, what is your specific proposed solution? Sto…

> Again, what is your specific proposed solution?

Why do you need a proposal from me? What's wrong with this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70315#c8

Or this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70315#c12

Or this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/22026...

Or this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/22026...

Or this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70315#c36

Or this one? https://github.com/lightradius/firefox-dark-theme-fix

Or this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70315#c45

Or this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70315#c46

Or this one? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1461538#c9

And those are only the proposals that are linked from the original 18-year old bug, there are probably dozens of others that were opened independently.

Granted, some of them are dumb (the patch that hard-codes "Adwaita-dark" as a trigger seems particularly bad) but there is no excuse for this to still be around, 18 years later, despite all of the proposals and patches that have been sent to fix it. There are multiple firefox extensions out there that fix the bug, and they are very popular, with thousands of users each. In what crazy world is it considered good design practice to force thousands of your users to install 3rd party extensions to be able to read text on the internet?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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I use both firefox and chrome. Chrome does have user profiles, and I can have multiple open at once. Separate cookies but ALSO separate extensions.

Separate browsers too, for me it's just super unpractical to always have to open a new browser window just to open facebook, personal email, work slack etc. Tree tabs then makes its super convenient to navigate between these worlds.

I know I'm nowhere near the mainstream, but lack of tree tabs is the showstopper for me with Chrome.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

you missed the part where they broke all my extensions which will apparently literally never be ported due to missing API functionality

I think that was covered in "- Yes, Firefox removed the feature that was essential to your workflow, even though most users don't care."

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Any pointers on how to do it?

Currently webrender only works on nightly builds unless you have NVIDIA hardware on Windows 10 (not considered mature enough on other hardware/platforms yet). But to enable it you turn on gfx.webrender.all in about:config.

A little OT: How do you use nightly? Do you have a cron job that downloads it? Do you download it every day? Do you only occasionally download it? Or is there some other way? I'd love to use it more but last I checked they didn't offer auto-updates to it.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Currently webrender only works on nightly builds unless you have NVIDIA hardware on Windows 10 (not considered mature enough on other hardware/platforms yet). But to enable it you turn on gfx.webrender.all in about:config.

For NVidia/Win10 users, is it in Stable, or only the beta channel? I have that configuration available but I still don't see the gfx.webrender.all key in about:config.

The "gfx.webrender.all" about:config preference to enable WebRender is only available in Firefox Nightly (not Beta or Release channels). The WebRender code exists in Beta and Release and might be randomly enabled for A/B experiments.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Currently webrender only works on nightly builds unless you have NVIDIA hardware on Windows 10 (not considered mature enough on other hardware/platforms yet). But to enable it you turn on gfx.webrender.all in about:config.

A little OT: How do you use nightly? Do you have a cron job that downloads it? Do you download it every day? Do you only occasionally download it? Or is there some other way? I'd love to use it more but last I checked they didn't offer auto-updates to it.

You download the nightly installer from mozilla's website, and then it bugs you to "Restart to update" everyday. I run nightly on many of my systems, but I don't update every day

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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The single biggest advantage of Chrome is that it's bundled as the default, non-removable browser on the largest mobile OS in the world: Android. And nearly all those people then expect to use the same browser on laptops and desktops and even here it is often pre-installed by OEM. If Firefox had somehow had this clinching advantage in an alternate reality, they would be the Chrome now. The actual performance and tech…

Firefox was losing to chrome long before android became so big, Mozilla dropped the ball here, they were too late on mobile.

Yea, parent comment is definitely a but of revisionist history. I stayed with Firefox longer than most, but the performance gap just became so massive that I really couldn't justify remaining on it. This was back when smartphones themselves were pretty new, let alone during android's dominance

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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As a long time Firefox user, let me offer a different perspective. Upgrading any application is a chore, and you never know what will break or whether you lose your data. People don't want to do it, and yet they are forced to do it by companies (and open source is even worse). So if you can avoid it, you avoid it. I'll leave up to you to decide if Firefox haven't destroyed its own market share by confusing changes to…

Most people don't even know what an URL is, so I don't think they even think about their browser that hard.

I'm not sure I understand the point you're making here. Wouldn't those people be _more_ beholden to UI stability? If you understand what's under the hood, it takes a little time for your muscle memory to adjust to UI changes but it's not exactly confusing. That's decidedly not the case for the group you're describing.
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