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Garry Kasparov: The Last Revolutionary Technology Was The Apple II

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Re: Garry Kasparov: The Last Revolutionary Technology Was The Apple II

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The only industry left that might fit Mr. Kasparov's prescription is the aerospace industry. There are still cowboys with calculators if not slide-rules and things moving from cad space to real space that are more than revolutionary and a damn site more than an incremental improvement...

Your comment is interesting, in that I don't see how it can possibly be true. From my POV, aerospace is the quintessential example of an industry that showed great promise and was revolutionizing our world, and then ... just stopped. The planes I fly on today are basically indistinguishable from the ones my father flew on back in the 1960s -- except for the TVs, but that's not really aerospace. Meanwhile, no one has been beyond LEO since 1972. NASA has produced lots of nifty unmanned spacecraft with cameras, true, but the only thing they've done recently that I would call revolutionary is the Mars rovers, but that's more robotics than aerospace.

So, could you explain? (Or were you perhaps being sarcastic, and I missed it?)

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Well said! I agree with all of it. I'd only add that the U.S. isn't the only country that can innovate, and that innovation needs purpose beyond energy production. I feel that purpose should be: - Colonizing space. - Making better use of our land for sustainable agriculture to feed the hungry and the children of our future.

While I understand dream aspect of it, in practical terms, why and how would you colonize space?

I'd add emphasis on the why. I see no urging reason to build a base on moon. Unless we plan to be done destroying earth soon and need to be autonomous out there asap.

Re: Garry Kasparov: The Last Revolutionary Technology Was The Apple II

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I think that it is wrong to say we aren't trying to innovate. I rather think we are at a point where incremental improvements are yielding better results in shorter time than revolutionary changes.

Examples: How many revolutionary replacements for DRAM have been proposed since the 1103 was introduced? Yet what do we use today? DRAM, because it could incrementally improve to be better and/or cheaper before competing technologies could be introduced

How many revolutionary replacements for the ICE have been proposed? Various jet engines have largely replaced it for aircraft, but the ICE is used just about everywhere else.

How about von neumann computers? There have been many other architectures proposed, but for general purpose computing it still wins out.

The fact that I am writing on this with something that is merely the sum of many incremental improvements to the Apple II just demonstrates the huge amount of untapped potential in the design when it was introduced, not that innovation has stopped.

Re: Garry Kasparov: The Last Revolutionary Technology Was The Apple II

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It's rare I want to call someone with conservative technological estimates unrealistic. Usually I see the opposite. But I don't think Kasparov is on the mark here. The cellphone was invented after that and has forever changed the way we reach people and fundamentally how they are reachable. Do you remember life pre-cellphones? When you left your house you literally dropped off the map. There was no way of anyone know…

"Do you remember life pre-cellphones? When you left your house you literally dropped off the map."

Yes. I miss those days.

Re: Garry Kasparov: The Last Revolutionary Technology Was The Apple II

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Well said! I agree with all of it. I'd only add that the U.S. isn't the only country that can innovate, and that innovation needs purpose beyond energy production. I feel that purpose should be: - Colonizing space. - Making better use of our land for sustainable agriculture to feed the hungry and the children of our future.

>- Making better use of our land for sustainable agriculture to feed the hungry and the children of our future.

Comparative advantage dictates that some massive chunk of land is devoted to cotton; that way when one of our shirts gets a loose thread we can throw it away as fast as possible so that we aren't seen by others as a leper.

Re: Garry Kasparov: The Last Revolutionary Technology Was The Apple II

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Kasparov complains that there aren't enough revolutionary technologies that push the world forward, as opposed to incremental improvements driven by wanting to please consumers. And then he says the last genuine technological revolution was ... the Apple II? Huh?

The Apple II was a fine product. But it was an incremental advance on its predecessors like the Commodore PET and, er, the Apple I (whose existence Kasparov might perhaps have been able to guess from the Apple II's name).

And: Mobile phones (as already pointed out by simonsarris). GPS. Affordable laser printers. The internet. Functional magnetic resonance imaging. Compact discs. Digital cameras. Etc., etc., etc. There's no shortage of things at least as revolutionary as the Apple II since 1977. (Some of them are based on fundamental developments a few years earlier, but none of them as much so as the Apple II.)

Re: Garry Kasparov: The Last Revolutionary Technology Was The Apple II

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It's rare I want to call someone with conservative technological estimates unrealistic. Usually I see the opposite. But I don't think Kasparov is on the mark here. The cellphone was invented after that and has forever changed the way we reach people and fundamentally how they are reachable. Do you remember life pre-cellphones? When you left your house you literally dropped off the map. There was no way of anyone know…

The HN title of this needs fixing - I think Kasparov is talking about innovation within the U.S. (although the article itself is maddeningly unclear, saying "thinks the U.S. has become complacent when it comes to innovation" but then seeming to push a worldwide brush that the "last technology that could be thought of as revolutionary, he says, was the Apple II"; I think he meant in the U.S. and this is just sloppy journalism).

You're spot on about mobile phones changing things; the first mobile phone network was in Japan, and the Nordic countries were second up. The revolutionary innovation, which Kasparov is talking about, was not within the U.S.

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Well said! I agree with all of it. I'd only add that the U.S. isn't the only country that can innovate, and that innovation needs purpose beyond energy production. I feel that purpose should be: - Colonizing space. - Making better use of our land for sustainable agriculture to feed the hungry and the children of our future.

While I understand dream aspect of it, in practical terms, why and how would you colonize space?

The how is of course the tricky part, but as to the why - well, to quote George Mallory,

    "Because it's there"
That's good enough for me, but there are plenty of other reasons why. Species survival would be one of them.

There are plenty of possibilities for extinction events right here. Super-volcano eruptions, radical climate change, polar shifting, airborne super-bugs (hello zombie apocalypse!), nuclear mayhem, etc.

Our local environment also has plenty of hazards. Asteroid impact, engulfment in a large solar flare, orbital shifts are the ones that spring to mind.

Our little niche in the galaxy might also have to deal with wandering black holes, gamma-ray bursts from a supernova that is just near enough, the long-term problem of the collision with Andromeda, etc. We won't overcome any of those by colonizing Mars, but still some things to keep in mind.

On a more practical note, extreme endeavors like colonizing space require some radical thinking (and re-thinking of existing concepts). Colonizing means establishing a foothold outside Earth that is self-sustaining (i.e. can do without a lifeline to Earth). We can't actually do that right now. If we set that as a goal we're going to come up with some very interesting stuff, a lot of which is bound to be useful down here.

Life expands or dies, that's the way it works over here. What the universe really seems to abhor (apart from vacuum), is an equilibrium.

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