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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

TheGrumpyBrit wrote: post #88
Yoric wrote: post #44

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Intellectually, I agree, but - it actually doesn't hurt; - market research indicates that most people actually love it.

These "missteps" are the reason I don't use Firefox. With Chrome, I know Google are watching. But I also know only Google are watching. They're not bundling irremovable third party apps in with the browser, or installing extensions without my consent, or sending my entire browsing history to another third party. Mozilla have done all these things, and when called out on it, they don't seem to realise they've done any…

They definitely have a few bad apples in management.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by jakub_g »

jimworm wrote: post #173
neilsimp1 wrote: post #122

I've seen the comment here on HN and a few other sites in the past few days - are there sites out there that don't work in Firefox, but do work in Chrome? Like, I'm aware of a few CSS properties that work in Chrome but not FF, but I don't think I've ever come across a site that doesn't look or work completely fine in FF. The only exception to this that I can think of is Google Earth, which I'm pretty sure you can ope…

Google Hangouts failed in Firefox for me last week. Had to break the Chromium out.

Google (and to certain extent Facebook, and a few other big names) are known to build Chromium-first services. Most other websites works really well in Firefox.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by pietroglyph »

Paul-ish wrote: post #246
Santosh83 wrote: post #79

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A browser written in Rust (which is probably Firefox's long term goal) should blow Chrome out of the water in terms of security, despite the massive efforts invested in that regard by Google to prop up Chrome's C++ code base.

It seems unlikely that FF will ever be completely written in Rust. More likely that new bits that get added are Rust, and many of the old bits stay C++. If FF gets rewritten in Rust, it will be a decades long effort.

I would just add that Mozilla also targets security critical portions with Rust rewrites. You don't necessarily need 100% Rust to be secure (if you have the right security model).

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by vram22 »

u801e wrote: post #240
vram22 wrote: post #131

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Interesting. I guess it may be possible to use it to be logged into and use different email accounts, e.g. foo@emailservice.com and bar@emailservice.com from the same browser instance. That would be helpful.

Alternatively, you could use a desktop email client like Thunderbird to do that :)

I guess so. Used them in the past, not for quite a while now. Should give it a try again. Thanks.

In fact, I have friends who use CLI or TUI email clients, like mutt. Never really used those for than a little, somehow, despite being a long-time Unix guy. Should try that out as well. Likely be a lot faster than either desktop or webmail.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by astura »

bzbarsky wrote: post #216
astura wrote: post #138

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I was looking at this page yesterday in Firefox: https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Collections/TitleInfo/512 When I enter a name and click "search" I get a page with some JSON ({"Result":true,"Status":"success","Redirect":1}) rather than the results page. Worked in chrome, however.

I just tried this in Firefox, and it seems to be working ok for me. Are you still seeing the problem? If so, and if you have some time to help diagnose what's going on here, I would really appreciate it...

When I tried it yesterday from my work computer, I got the incorrect behavior.

I tried it on mobile Firefox this morning when I typed this comment and it did the same (just displayed json text). Mobile chrome was fine.

I put in only a last name and clicked search.

Just tried it on Firefox from my work computer and it's working now!!!

I didn't make it up, that json above is copied/pasted!

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by bzbarsky »

hannasanarion wrote: post #232
bzbarsky wrote: post #210

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There were lots of requests to have form controls "look native", which is why they were changed to use the desktop theme... One problem with that, as you note, is web pages that are setting a color but not a background color on elements, which is a web development 101 mistake. But there's just no way to win here: either you can use the OS theme for widgets and things fail when sites make this mistake, or the widgets…

> One problem with that, as you note, is web pages that are setting a color but not a background color on elements, which is a web development 101 mistake. If it works correctly for 99.9% of users (those who aren't running linux, with firefox, with a dark GTK theme), than it isn't a mistake on the part of the website, it's a bug on the part of the browser. User theming is not about to sweep over the web. It didn't ha…

> AFAIK themes still don't exist in Windows and OSX.

They exist just fine on Windows. See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13768/desktop-theme... for example, and there's a number of themes that ship with Windows by default, including several "dark" themes.

On Mac I am not aware of themes per se, but there are accessibility options that have similar effects.

Again, what is your specific proposed solution? Stop using the current theme entirely when painting controls? You can sort of test what that looks like by putting "-moz-appearance: none" on some controls; then tell me whether that's what people using a non-dark GTK theme actually want. Or do you have some other concrete proposal?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by bzbarsky »

astura wrote: post #255
bzbarsky wrote: post #216

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I just tried this in Firefox, and it seems to be working ok for me. Are you still seeing the problem? If so, and if you have some time to help diagnose what's going on here, I would really appreciate it...

When I tried it yesterday from my work computer, I got the incorrect behavior. I tried it on mobile Firefox this morning when I typed this comment and it did the same (just displayed json text). Mobile chrome was fine. I put in only a last name and clicked search. Just tried it on Firefox from my work computer and it's working now!!! I didn't make it up, that json above is copied/pasted!

I totally believe you that you saw what you saw! Just trying to pin it down.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by leibwiht »

nindalf wrote: post #9

Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

you missed the part where they broke all my extensions which will apparently literally never be ported due to missing API functionality

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by QuantumGood »

basch wrote: post #244
feanaro wrote: post #49

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- Yes, Firefox does support Containers, which are a very innovative privacy feature allowing you to maintain separate browser sessions (cookies, site preferences, ...) towards different websites inside a single browser instance.[1][2] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers#w_what-are-c... [2] https://www.thechiefmeat.com/guides/containers.html

I use both firefox and chrome. Chrome does have user profiles, and I can have multiple open at once. Separate cookies but ALSO separate extensions.

I love how profiles make separate extensions a feature. I can keep useful-but-rarely used extensions in a separate browser profile instead of installing/uninstalling/deciding re: extensions.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by JasoonS »

basch wrote: post #244
feanaro wrote: post #49

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- Yes, Firefox does support Containers, which are a very innovative privacy feature allowing you to maintain separate browser sessions (cookies, site preferences, ...) towards different websites inside a single browser instance.[1][2] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers#w_what-are-c... [2] https://www.thechiefmeat.com/guides/containers.html

I use both firefox and chrome. Chrome does have user profiles, and I can have multiple open at once. Separate cookies but ALSO separate extensions.

Separate browsers too, for me it's just super unpractical to always have to open a new browser window just to open facebook, personal email, work slack etc.

Tree tabs then makes its super convenient to navigate between these worlds.

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