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Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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It's easy to do when you can just forcibly move people and don't have to listen to what the locals think before you start laying track

Um, the US government can do that too? I'm not aware of any government that doesn't hold eminent domain powers.

China's method of eminent domain is a bit more... forceful than you might be thinking.

Source: lived in China

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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We can do both. Put all the stations on sidings so that stopped trains do not block the main track. Trains operate point-to-point just like aircraft, with everybody getting on and off at the same time. This means that there is little downside to adding more stops. The trip time for other stops is unaffected. There is no energy or time wasted on intermediate stops.

How were you imagining that many trains running on the tracks simultaneously? Stopping on a siding and waiting for a train to pass going the other direction takes time, never mind if there were trains running in both directions for every possible combination of stops.

In Japan on the shinkansen lines, the local bullet train is passed by the express while they are boarding at the local stops and those are the only areas where they expand to 4 sets of rail. At least in most of the routes I've travelled, there are 2 lines.

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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What the heck is the train line doing near Fresno? Why is it not following I-5 and making zero stops in between the South Bay and LA?

Fresno is the third largest city in the state and the agricultural capital of the state. Going through Fresno will link the three largest industries: technology, entertainment, and agriculture.

Fresno's merely the seventh largest urban area, and nowhere close to being the third largest city in the state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_urban_areas

It is the biggest population center between San Jose and Southern California, though.

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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The same thing happened in my country. Infrastructure like this always ends up about 5 times more expensive than originally thought. It doesn't really matter because there is always more money. Everyone just forgets about it and moves on.

The US however is rapidly approaching a 1 trillion deficit. And if it wants to challenge China in manufacturing they need to rebuild the entire railroad system.

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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The same thing happened in my country. Infrastructure like this always ends up about 5 times more expensive than originally thought. It doesn't really matter because there is always more money. Everyone just forgets about it and moves on. The US however is rapidly approaching a 1 trillion deficit. And if it wants to challenge China in manufacturing they need to rebuild the entire railroad system.

And if it wants to challenge China in manufacturing they need to rebuild the entire railroad system.

Can you explain this point? The USA has a great cargo rail system that is efficient and integrated with other transportation systems.

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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While this article finds an issue with the way the Tejon Pass route was eliminated in favor of the Tehachapi Pass route, Tejon Pass route would skip a station in Lancaster/Palmdale, which would be a mistake. As the article acknowledges, these are rapidly growing exurbs that are refuge from the exorbitant land prices in the LA Basin. There is existing commuter rail service between there and Downtown LA, but a HSR is a…

> these are rapidly growing exurbs that are refuge from the exorbitant land prices in the LA Basin. What kind of country are we building where we send people to live in exurbs in a literal barren desert -- I'm not exaggerating, I was in Palmdale a few weeks ago, and it could have inspired Solzhenitsyn -- with a fast train into the city, lest the petit bourgeois of L.A. be forced to live in - ugh - townhomes? There ar…

What route should the train take from Ventura to Bakersfield? And how will it affect the travel times required by law?

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to do when you can just forcibly move people and don't have to listen to what the locals think before you start laying track

Um, the US government can do that too? I'm not aware of any government that doesn't hold eminent domain powers.

Ah, does China go through the courts for every segment, taking months or years (including determining fair value for compensation)?

Dodger Stadium was built by razing a poor but cultural neighborhood and it is now considered to have been unethically done. But it was fast...

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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post #37
post #17

While this article finds an issue with the way the Tejon Pass route was eliminated in favor of the Tehachapi Pass route, Tejon Pass route would skip a station in Lancaster/Palmdale, which would be a mistake. As the article acknowledges, these are rapidly growing exurbs that are refuge from the exorbitant land prices in the LA Basin. There is existing commuter rail service between there and Downtown LA, but a HSR is a…

What the heck is the train line doing near Fresno? Why is it not following I-5 and making zero stops in between the South Bay and LA?

There is a sizable population of Silicon Valley workers who live in Fresno and commmute daily. I grew up there and they started moving there in the late 90s. This is just based of my observation, friends parents, newspaper articles in the Fresno bee so I don’t have statistics. Also not sure the actual financial impact of tourism but Fresno is the gateway to the major tourist attraction - Yosemite Valley and Kings canyon. I’m sure a lot of foreigners would ride from LA or the bay to then take the bus tours from Fresno.

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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Or any improvements on the 405 for us poor souls who live in the Valley+ and work in Santa Monica :(

We just spent a lot on that. [1] Are you not seeing results? What additonal work would you like to see? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/20/us/los-angeles-drivers-on...

I would like to see more than two lanes on the 405-101 interchange lanes, and dedicated carpool lanes for this interchange plus 405-10.

Re: Fast Train to Failure: California’s Mismanaged High-Speed Rail Project

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, the US government can do that too? I'm not aware of any government that doesn't hold eminent domain powers.

Ah, does China go through the courts for every segment, taking months or years (including determining fair value for compensation)? Dodger Stadium was built by razing a poor but cultural neighborhood and it is now considered to have been unethically done. But it was fast...

> Ah, does China go through the courts for every segment, taking months or years (including determining fair value for compensation)?

Which sounds like a very inefficient court system to me.

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