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Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#441

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Last I checked on osx Firefox just doesn't feel as native as Chrome. I'm not sure if it's the weird window chrome or the scrolling that feels non-native but something just feels off.

You can’t do pinch to zoom on macOS, which kills the experience for me.

There's an addon that emulates pinch zoom, it does a pretty good job: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-touch-z....

I agree this should be implemented natively though.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

Adapting a comment I posted in a different Firefox thread: I'd like to use Firefox. I prefer its ideals to everything else. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, sleeker, smoother, and more user-focused browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly. On macOS, it feels chunkier and l…

> Why don't browsers have adblocking built in?

Firefox has built-in tracker blocking, which has the side effect of blocking a lot of ads and makes your pages load faster:

https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/tracking-protection-always-...

Brave also has built-in tracker blocking:

https://brave.com/

> I use 1Blocker, and it has a clunky UI where you can point the cursor at a page element to block that specific element.

uBlock Origin has a similar feature. I think it works smoothly in Firefox:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#443

If NetMarketShare can be believed, the #2 browser across desktop, mobile, and tablets is Safari which uses WebKit. https://netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?options... Not much has changed in the past year, with Safari holding steady at around 19% and Chrome going from 60% to 63%. Firefox is baring holding on to its 5%. So while it's concerning to see MS embrace the Chromium engine from the standpoint of a…

The problem is that WebKit isn't really a competitor to Blink:

1) It holds this marketshare mostly because of the forced monopoly on iOS. It's not technologically particularly far ahead or even has a browser implementing it with good marketing.

2) It exists on platforms other than macOS and iOS, but it is being optimized specifically for those platforms and only there can kind of compete with the other browsers. So, if you're not on macOS/iOS, it is hardly a competitor that you could choose from.

3) Chrome's Blink engine was forked from WebKit, so they are actually very similar in a lot of ways. A Blink-WebKit-duopoly would still have many of the disadvantages of a monopoly, like security vulnerabilities being shared and certain innovations being harder, because they have the same architecture.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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post #431

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I use Chrome, because security is my top concern. (Firefox has a good security team, but Chrome's is unmatched.)

Sorry but this is a bit clueless, what are you trying to secure exactly, if it's not your own data? You can't honestly thing that data is safer in Chrome than Firefox.

I doubt google engineers rank high in his threat model. :-)

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#445
As someone who deals with a lot of browser features which are already a little quirky, like iframes, popups, and cross-window messaging -- I've found Edge makes little to no improvement on IE. The number of corner cases the browser fails to support is astonishing. So I'm absolutely glad to see it being dropped.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#446

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Mozilla is a non-profit

Mozilla is both a non-profit and a for-profit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation

And the Mozilla Corporation is a 100% subsidiary of the non-profit Mozilla Foundation. That means their only stakeholder that they could pay out their profits to, is the Foundation, which can't take the money, because it's a non-profit. The Corporation can only really save up the money to reinvest it later.

The Mozilla Foundation's legally-binding mission statement is therefore also effectively enforced for the Corporation. The Foundation could throw out the CEO of the Corporation and in general gets to decide what happens in the Corporation, which they're legally bound to tell to follow the Foundation's mission statement, i.e. making the web a healthier place, improving privacy etc.

As a result, the only profit-motive that exists in the Corporation is that the employees want to keep their job.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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post #361

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> Electron has made building cross platform desktop applications a lot easier For people who have web development experience, yes.

It's made building cross-platform desktop applications that are just wrappers for existing web-apps down-right trivial (and no web-dev experience required there.) And that case applies more often than you'd think. For example, the Spotify app, the Slack app†, the various Facebook Messenger "clients", etc. † the Slack app is built with http://macgapproject.github.io/ , but it's pretty much the same thing.

I don't understand why the slack app exists. Why would I want to run another browser for a chat application?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#448

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Looks like you don't know about chrome://flags/

The thing is, flags in Chrome exist only until Google decides it shouldn't be an option anymore. Then they take the choice away from you. I disabled the material "design" styled themes for as long as I could, until the flag disappeared.

That's not really different for Firefox, there's just a different organization making that decision.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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post #185

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Strange, it runs just as fast as Chrome on my 2013 MBP

AFAIK there was a bug causing it to eat a lot of CPU on non-native resolutions (display scaling), which may explain some differences in user's experience.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522

Yep luckily the bug is being actively worked on and might land in the next version or two.

I can confirm its not fixed yet. Firefox Dev Edition is unusable on my 2014 MBP w/ integrated graphics but is crazy fast on my 2018 and Hackintosh.

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